Aye, they wouldn't have done it in your day. Do you remember the day you turned into you parents, or was it just a gradual thing? It's interesting to see the sweeping generalisations about youth on a football forum. Then again, we're football fans, so we're all hooligans and fair game anyway.
Burying Beverley Gate is like demolishing the Eiffel Tower please log in to view this image Plans to bury Hull's historic Beverley Gate is cultural vandalism, writes Is It Just Me? columnist Ian Midgley I bet Sir John Hotham is spinning in his grave. Whether his head is spinning in the same direction as his body – after Oliver Cromwell and his pals decided they would probably be better off in two entirely separate, unconnected, locations – is a different matter. The point is, if I'd had the balls to stare down a king and send him packing from my front door I'd quite like to think I'd be remembered for centuries to come. I'd want people to stand by the gate where I'd told his majesty to graciously naff off and – love me or loathe me – remember me as someone who'd stepped up to the plate, stuck his neck out and got away with not having it chopped off – if only for a while. What I wouldn't want is someone to encase that gate, that historic pile of bricks, that tangible touching point with history, in concrete. Which is basically what those overseeing the "urban renewal" of Hull City Centre want to do. I'll be honest, I'm generally well up for most of the revamping ideas that are due to take place in Hull between now and 2017. I think the general funking up of our city's streets with cool lighting, water fountains, sculptures, pedestrianised plazas and seating are a good thing. It might even encourage the punters who've abandoned the city centre in favour of Princes Avenue of an evening back into its stony silent streets. I especially liked the idea of recreating some sort of Beverley Gate by Monument Bridge as a focal point for remembering Hull's pivotal part in English history. Historically – and purely as a heritage industry selling point designed to deprive Japanese tourists of their Yen – it's the biggest thing the Hull's got going for it. So why bury it under 50 tonnes of concrete? It's like Paris demolishing the Eiffel Tower to give better access to the Champ de Mars. It's like York knocking down the Minster to give tourists better views of the buskers outside McDonalds. It's like Beverley ripping up its cobbles.. oh, they already tried that. It's no wonder there's been a protest group set up on Facebook opposing the plans to cover Beverley Gate remains once and for all. As of Tuesday afternoon it had 588 'likes'. It even has its own Twitter hashtag #savebeverleygate, which means it must be serious. Admittedly, the dreadful 80s-era hole in the ground that's currently home to the gate is a disgrace. At the moment, the sunken travesty serves mainly as a place for disaffected yoof to skateboard while showing off new and exciting varieties of hat – and those weird earring things that make your earlobes look like painful pink Polos. But that doesn't mean we should bury the old gate out of pure shame. Dig it out. Excavate it. Move it above ground and put it on display for the world and his wife to see. Don't sweep it under the concrete carpet and replace it with some arty farty sculpture. What's the point of putting a fake representation of history on show, when the real thing's actually only six feet below you. Any fake sculpture/gate nonsense will just be the Trigger's Broom version of heritage – completely original and authentic apart from all the bits that have been replaced at original intervals. http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Bury...tory-27592864-detail/story.html#ixzz3iajc7MIr The Eiffel Tower analogy is a little over the top and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't actually fill it in with concrete, but I think he's right about the rest of it.
That's what I suggested - rebuilding at current ground level. It's a significant part of our history.
The Eiffel Tower was originally only intended as a temporary structure to last 20 years after the World's Fair and then be dismantled. The Paris equivalent of the Guardian reading chattering classes were totally against it. It is now the most visited paid for visitor attraction in the world. You can imagine a 19th century equivalent of Geraghty and co turning it down and building a skating rink instead. As for the gate, it is of national historical importance and what is there is a disgrace and an embarrassment. Somewhere like York would have turned it into a visitor attraction.
Sitting around swigging out of cans, whether cheap booze or energy drinks (though why they need energy drinks when their main activity seems to be lounging about is a good question) whilst talking loudly does not a sub culture make.
This is right, I would say. Still, given that the council won their second city of culture bid (cost of bids undisclosed), and got siemens to put 700 jobs in the city (cost to taxpayer undisclosed), no doubt the council now know what they are doing.
‘Future generations will be amazed we buried historic Beverley Gate’ – opposition to plan grows please log in to view this image OPPOSITION is growing to council plans that would see Hull lose a historical site that marks a major event in the lead-up to the English Civil War. The proposals to fill in Beverley Gate near the entrance to Whitefrairgate have sparked protests from more than 1,000 residents. Historians have also condemned plans to bury the remains of the 14th-century town walls as part of the £25m city-centre regeneration plans. The remains of the gate mark the spot where King Charles I was famously refused entry into the city in 1642. Dr John Markham of The Georgian Society For East Yorkshire, one of the oldest conservation societies in the country, believes losing the historic site is something future generations would regret. "We are very concerned about the proposal to fill in the site of Beverley Gate," he said. "This is a place of national historical importance, which led to the development of constitutional monarchy. "It's not just a local historical curiosity. If it is filled in, it is certain that future generations will want to reopen it and will be amazed at our behaviour." The proposal is to rebury the site and install a 20ft-high art installation on Monument Bridge. In plans first revealed to the public in 2014, the council had intended to preserve the gate in a glass walkway, but this idea was rejected after consulting with experts from heritage group Historic England. A spokesman for Hull City Council said: "Historic England advised the proposed glazed panel for Beverley Gate had been problematic on similar schemes in other areas of the country. "They suggested instead, we may want to look at other ways to re-express the lines of the city walls to highlight their historic importance. "Taking this into account, our design team has created a solution to capture the historical importance of the site. "The latest proposals include the reburial of the walls in order to preserve them, a major art installation and lighting marking the site and full extent of the original boundary and gate, paying tribute to this significant location." Historic England confirmed it had advised the council against installing a glazed panel but said the site's importance should be properly celebrated. A spokesman for the organisation said: "The site is historically important but it isn't listed, so we don't have an official role in what happens to it next, but we hope whatever happens, the site's historic importance is celebrated." Residents are being urged to visit the Destination Hull exhibition at the Ferens Art Gallery, which outlines the future plans. http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/8216...tory-27596663-detail/story.html#ixzz3ihvaWLmO
I suggest someone applies for listed building status. If they are so opposed. https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/apply-for-listing/ Mike...
Just back from a few days in Bristol. I think it's a great example of post-industrial regeneration. Hull could be just as good,it has all the pre-requisites. The difference though is that Bristol seems to have attracted no end of quality investors, financial institutions, etc, lots of people work and live in the centre and they spend their money there. This is what I struggle to foresee for Hull.
I do agree with you about Bristol, I go there a fair bit too, but, it's pretty much the central point for heading to the SW and from the SW heading up "North" too. This has to be an advantage, its more likely more people are going to go past it, and think "lets pop in". It is a fabulous mix though of modern shopping and historical architecture and exhibits, plus a great night out. On the flip side I've never seen so many homeless people, even in London. Plus the M5 is the road from ****ing hell.
In my experience homeless people are attracted to the better off cities, I live in Oxford and there loads. As a matter of interest does Hull have many homeless? (as opposed to simply skint/unemployed/unemployable)
