Great! If the new stadium thing breaks down, what do we think will happen? You guys seem to know more about it than me. Do we think that means Hayes and Wasps might go away?
To be honest (and without knowing a huge amount about the process!) I would rather be non league again than watch Hayes shift all revenue and ground ownership to a rugby club and us become mere tenants. Just my opinion.
Based on what the wycombe wanderers supporters trust website says we would have to cut costs dramatically and break even. The chances of that are next to impossible as Hayes would still own the ground and the training ground and as he's a businessman i would imagine he'd want a substantial rental payment if a new owner/group came in as i can't see him selling them off.
Given the reasoning for Wasps' losses, I'm surprised they don't move to somewhere else very soon. They need 13,000 spectators a week to break even. So why did they come to a ground with a maximum capacity of under 11,000?(not that they fill it anyway). Surely they should have moved to a ground where they can attract more London fans (being a London club). Now let's see: âAll the clubs in the Premiership spend roughly the same â about £4m on the playing squad and £2m on support structures and travel." âWe need about a 13,000 average to break even.â Ah Wycombe are miles away, that should attract the fans and they have a new stadium that holds 10,000. Of course, Adams Park : Now what birdbrain came to that conclusion? Hope it's not the same person that owns WWFC.
this should stop the white elephant http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/9144069.VIDEO__Hundreds_protest_against_stadium_plans/
Good on them, id have been there if I still lived in Wycombe, if only to be part of a group called GASP!
I don't understand the last paragraph. If Hayes owns WWFC, how will he manage to leave the debt with us? Surely the debts are now his. How have fans been responsible?
True Js the debts are assigned to the club from hayes yet for hayes to gain any return on those loan notes would be near impossible as the club is on such a sticky wicket financially no one will want to buy the club therefore making the loans payable to hayes unmade. As for the responsibility falling on the heads of supporters thats true to an extent but there wasn't exactly any choice in the matter. It was either except that hayes was going to take full control or go into administration due to the strategy that hayes has undertaken for the previous 5 years that he was in charge of the club i.e. run up a shed load of debt force the shareholders hand and therefore gain control of all tangible assets. In regards to the comment about moving to Adams Park in the first place. The council actually blocked the move originally. When the CPO was placed on Loakes Park the club identified 13 differant locations for a new ground for which for one reason or another the council rejected each and every one of them including an application for where we are now. The only reason this was overturned so i'm told was because it was the best the council could provide as they had to reimburse the club with the amount of land that they had put a CPO on that WWFC owned. Which makes this proposed new stadium all the more compelling because then and in times since the council have been bugger all help to the club now - well when clarke was in charge they appear to be bending over backwards to assist.
JS I'm a fan along with lots of other people I know, we didn't vote for anything in 2009. I think saying fans are responsible is a tad misleading. Some shareholders who call themselves fans is probably more accurate. Personally speaking I don't have a problem with Adams Park at all, its location, facilities or capacity. It just takes a bit of joined up thinking (which, admittedly, looking at the cretins who make the decisions is something that's probably way beyond them). It could be made bigger, access could be improved and the facilities are great. There's no positive reason to move anywhere else.
Quite right jock. A view that was echoed on one of the links that rocky made to the BFP. On there meassages at the bottom there was a wasps fan from hughenden that said the same thing from a wasps point of view. The previous owners were all for making Adams park bigger and providing more access. Its only one mans view to move.
JS, fans most certainly are NOT to blame. A small minority are shareholders, not the families that attend week in week out and have little interest in the business side of things. These same fans are the ones who seem to care most, will suffer most but are heard from least. AP is a fine, family stadium and is perfcetly adequate for our needs and size. Our football club boasts better facilities than many other league grounds at this level (Leyton Orient, Exeter, Brighton, Bournemouth??) and has character unlike many others (Colchester, Mk Dons). Yes, we do need to look seriously at access as we grow including parking and impact on surrounding neighbourhoods but, we simply do not need to move. If we were in the Championship averaging 9000 fans then maybe but not now. You are entitled to your view JS but please dont assume that shareholders represent the fans views. Lets not forget Steve Hayes tells everyone he is a WWFC fan when he isnt, he is a businessman.
I've Google-earthed Adams Park (Yellow Pin) and I'm curious. In the attached image can someone explain: 1. What is the area I've indicated with Pink Pin A? 2. What is the the path I've indicated from Pink Pin B to Pink Pin C? View attachment 5589 There appears to be a ready made "potential" route from the M40 (Pin B) direct to the rear of Adams Park and possibly one from Pin C.
Didn't look at your map Ron but from a guess it's similar to what's been mooted for years, a quick access road from the M40. The reasons it's been turned down before I think are because of a) cost and b) green belt land (or possibly Farmer Palmer concerned about a road worrying 'im sheep). All these reasons look pretty rubbish when you look at the White Elephant alternative though. Like I said, the idea of an access road would require joined up thinking which is something those that matter seem incapable of.
