Can't help thinking when you ban people from speaking, you're giving the impression that you're afraid of what they have to say i.e. that they have a point. As a young teenager growing up in the 80's I couldn't help feeling that way about Sinn Fein (when daft Maggie decided to ban his voice, so the BBC got an actor to dub over him talking lol)
Here's a video from their website, its about their march in Newcastle but near the end of it is the statement.... "we'll take red Liverpool" They weren't talking football they were talking politics, they weren't talking about having discussion, they were talking about taking over the city centre on their terms. There website describes them as non violent yet they advise the members to keep/get fit to "defend themselves" and their symbols and banners are littered with guns, swords and axes. http://national-action.info They only exist to do the talking and not the listening.
Odd thing this freedom of speech. Suppose it's when freedom of speech turns into deliberate, aggressive provocation. I mean, in Donga's state, those Moon landing conspiracy mongs would be put in concentration camps - then I count to ten and think that its better to let them spout their drivel and anyone with a brain will see how ****ing stupid they are. Besides which, I need to keep the camps clear for you United fans. Thing is, no-one has the right to live in a democracy and not be offended by something. Especially religion. But if someone is advocating violence or discrimination, i suppose there has to be limits.
Remember that scene from The Day Today when steve Coogan played a sinn fein spokesman forced to speak after inhaling hellium?
I have never heard of National Action. I would be horrified to see the EDL or this offshoot marching through Southampton. I would feel any group like this would pollute the city and make it feel dirty therefore I wouldn't allow it in the first place. If they want to shout their mouths off go to a CHAV place like Clacton-o-Sea or Portsmouth where they allow these buffoons to march. You guys will need to scrub yourselves and the buildings for allowing such filth to contaminate your great city.
I get that Page, but the fact they're saying anything shows they want people to listen. They want to spread their message, whatever it is. Our job is to counter it, not ban it. The best way to get them to stop is to show them up for the bigotted fools they are. BTW I bet if they had that march and someone from the BBC invited them to go on Newsnight or Question Time they'd jump at the chance. They'd have to enter into a debate then and that's when they get found out. History has taught us that. The BNP, EDL etc. Look at the reverse, banning Anjem Choudary was a fcking backward step imo. Did more harm than good.
I'm gathering you never read the "what is National Action" on their website. They have no elected leadership, they only have "personalities", so if someone claimed to be speaking on their behalf in a bbc interview there'd be no guarantee he was speaking for their organization. In reality they must have but whoever their leader is he or she is obviously to scared to show themself in that capacity.
you are missing the whole point. by the time these guys get to al quaeda and neo nazi levels they are DONE TALKING the people to be talked to are quite a few notches down the extremist pole. talk to those who want to talk.. be strong with those who don't. and AS FOR SINN FEIN....... they came to the table to talk.. they were not dragged... they were seeking the solution cos thier stupidity failed them. DUP never talked to them ONCE unitl they gave up the guns and bullets AND AND mind you ended criminality too. it took 10 years or more for all that to occur. were the DUP wrong (and i don't hold with the hateful individuals and bigots in it) The fact is someone wante dto talk and have peace so they got peace but they were dragged a lot further than they wanted to be dragged in the end. Neo nazis.... deluded racists... hey gone way past talking and just want to wreak and destroy.
i like the term enemy of the state though it can tar a lot of things when its suits a state. feminists in 1906 were enemies of the state.. but they were not neo nazis nor guys wanting to chop heads off in the street to get on social media.
I thought you'd strayed away from the march and were making general comments on freedom of speech, mentioning gay rights and women's suffrage and then saying ''Freedom of speech means people you disagree with; even the vile and disgusting, get to have their say'' that's what I was replying to.
It was the (as you called them) bigoted DUP that had to be "dragged" to the negotiating table, they fought hard to protect their unfair superiority in the province, they also never called for Unionist terrorists to lay down their weapons as they were seen as a protectorate of Unionism and power over Nationalists. National Action on the other hand are the enemy within.
Nah I doun't buy that. I think that's what our governments and their media spin would like us to believe. It then means we can treat them how we like. Which is the rhetoric you're buying into MITO. They're never done talking. This idea that there's no political aim but instead just a desire to wreak havoc and destruction is a simplistic one. It ties everything up in a nice neat bow and means we don't need to think too much about it. Whatever happened with Sinn Fein, the fact they came further than they wanted to, shows how much was achieved in actually talking to them rather than banning them. I don't claim to know everything about the DUP but their were plenty of unionists behind the scene talking through mediators, and even if the DUP didn't talk at the end of the day the British government and Sinn Fein did. And that would have happened in 1970's while they were bombing Birmingham as much as it when it finally did in the mid 1990's. And we might have saved plenty of lives.
not buying into anything. I would rather be the strong one who stands up than the pacifist who signs the meaningless document a month before the war starts. .. again sinnfein realized they were getting nowhere in 30 years of they type of actions that these neo nazis and al queada types think is the way to go. they crawled in through intermediaries and SDLP and frankly others let them off a long way short of where the DUP stood up to them. Blair and the UUP guy would have left the arms there etc etc but the DUP walked out and get the votes to collapse the whole thing unitl they propoerly got shut. Now sinn fien are going to be in government in the republic of ireland as they will have a sheen of respectability. If people want to elect said dodgy ****ers fine but they'll get that they get as a result. funnily the DUP have in effect created the modern Republican political movement by forcing the gobshites to stop hanging on to guns and bombs and robbing banks to finance thier activities. If you think entertaining a nazi will do anything bar make more nazis out of the thicks they want to reach out to.... well ok... cos i think perosnally you over rate the intelligence of a lot. They want to get the sheen of respectability then recruit on the fringes as the march round and grow their stinking numbers.
So you definitely didn't go round with a 'Je Suis Charlie' badge then mito? That's a very similar argument to the right to protest, the right to 'disrespect' others in cartoon form.
I think picturing the prophet is offensive to ALL not just the few nut cases you don't need to offend everyone to make your point.... but basically publishing a satire of the actual Islamic state monsters doesn't sell magazines does it.... going for the jugular and offending everyone does. I'd stand as strong against the two scumbags who did the shooting as i'd stand with the ordinary muslims who had to go round feeling offended but not able to raise their voices against it for fear of being called extremists ................. its like this. the left wing... "socialist" "free speech" "our rights" types on the internet are far more aggressive and wrong minded and plain vindictive than those of a conservative view. In my view what is right is right.... what is wrong is wrong and someone standing up to what they see is wrong is no bad thing.... finally... its not even my debate. I didn't go out and stop any neo nazis like those who did so all I'm doing is giving my point of view.
I say stand up tall and stand up for your own values. have respect for others views and in mutual respect these issues go away... but be strong until they come to the same point of view... if you don't they other whatever will walk all over you.
I tried to open the link to the NA website that Page put up but got this message - ''This site has been blocked by Web Safe. It's listed as having content that’s inappropriate for children, involving either pornography, hate, crime, drugs, violence, hacking, self harm or suicide.'' The Anti Fascist one however did open - what does that tell you?
that the left wing has a lot more ardent internet warriors. same as the feminist stuff that sisu posted... its just a fact there are books about people who have been destryoed on the internet once the come to certain groups attention. examples range widely form those who deserve a bit of critism to those trolled on twitter for saying one wrong thing.
"the DUP stood up to them." Very bias view there mito, the jackbooted DUP(up until 1969's civil rights marches)happily and triumphantly made those that were part of Republican movement second class citizens from the cradle to the grave. It was a case of Nationalists/Republicans standing up to the DUP rather than the way you put it, also little is made of the terror campaign in the south by Unionist terrorists (the Monaghan and Dublin bombings and the indiscriminate murders in the south)which Unionist politicians were well aware of in advance. "collusion is no illusion" as the saying goes. Two(or even one)wrong doesnt make a right but praising the political party that was in the main responsible for the "troubles", nah. Just trying to balance the debate....not start a war. It opens in Google chrome on my tablet jb, try opening it in Firefox or IE?
