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Have we any real proof?

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  1. Blunham Mackem

    Blunham Mackem Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    That the club is up **** creek, fatally holed and sinking fast?

    Is all of this apparent anger and despair just a case of taking lots of rumour and speculation, from ill-informed sources, adding it all together and assuming the worst?

    Are there any glimmers of hope to suggest we're all just panicking a tad prematurely?
     
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  2. Jack TheLad

    Jack TheLad Well-Known Member

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    I think it's being sensationalised massively by the press jumping on our god awful start to the season.

    However I believe there is a degree of truth in it as we've hardly spent much this window & there must be a reason for this. Reason being there's nowt to spend IMO.
     
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  3. JustMeMan

    JustMeMan Well-Known Member

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    What happened he once said whatever I spend on players comes out of my pocket and not the clubs funds.
    Ellis is just bored with it all now Can we really blame him.
     
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  4. grandpops

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    Short chooses the right board.
    The board chooses the right managers.
    Managers sign the right players.

    = what we wanted.

    Short chooses the wrong board.
    The board chooses the wrong managers.
    Managers sign the wrong players.

    = what we got.

    Before he can put it right he has to admit he got it wrong.

    A massive shake up needed starting at the top. If heads don`t roll we`re sunk.
     
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  5. mackemwelder

    mackemwelder Well-Known Member

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    I want to believe that it's more a case of the right players won't come, rather than we have no money mate.
     
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  6. Charley Farley

    Charley Farley Well-Known Member

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    I think we are all going on the form that our club has.

    Each season we are sort of promised marquee signings or rumours of £50 million transfer funds yet at the end of each window we are all left feeling let down.

    The Kieran Richardson rumour is believable because that's how we've been doing business, cheap options buying squad players no better than we already have.

    Just think where we would be had we bought two top class players each season instead of ten or twelve punts on 'ones for the future' and dubious others.

    Lens may be ok, AJ should be ok but disappoints (although oppositions usually put two on him leaving gaps, they realise he can be a danger), Rodwell has disappointed but may come good.
    None of our cheap buys (almost all of the squad) have performed and I don't need to list them.

    We cannot expect to find gems like Phillips, our bargain buy that worked out fantastic, and I can't think of any we've bought since then, on the cheap, that turned out to be top class. If we did get one I expect they would cash in on him anyway. Any player who is good seems to be sold off, Sess or Jordan for example. Let's face it, we are a selling club now.

    Mickey Gray got it right, most of our current players would struggle to get into a Championship side.
     
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  7. Rick O'Shea

    Rick O'Shea Well-Known Member

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    Is that not part of the problem though? We don't know. The club tells us nothing. We only have a lack of transfer activity and rumours to go off. It's only logical and imo a very real possible that the club is up **** creek.
     
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  8. Jack TheLad

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    The argument is that if Dick/Congerton believe they're the right player AND we have money then they'd be willing to push the boundaries and pay them more. Since they don't have the money we're stuck looking (allegedly) at the likes of Richardson & Rhodes.
     
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  9. Jack TheLad

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  10. Blunham Mackem

    Blunham Mackem Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Well either the club isn't telling us what they're dojng because its good business practice (I get that and agree with the principle) or they're not telling us coz we're up **** creek and they're trying to keep a lid on things (are we the next Pompey? :emoticon-0106-cryin)

    ps, were you Gonads in a previous incarnation?
     
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  11. mackemwelder

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    Where did all these Richardson rumours come from anyway? as the op suggests, what proof do we have? it's just paper talk and gutter journalism at it's best imo.
     
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  12. Mackem-Tiz

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    I agree with every single word of that. It's not rocket science where we have gone wrong is it?!..
     
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    It isn`t mate and there`s only one person can put it right.
     
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  14. Mackem-Tiz

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    This is where Niall Quinn is a big miss. He would would be the link between the club and the fans. At the minute the silence is deafening...
    Short needs to fund a deal for at least 2 more quality players. It's a disgrace that 2 games into the season we still haven't signed a striker...
     
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    Michael Clarke.. He's had tremendous success in England!
     
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  16. grandpops

    grandpops Well-Known Member

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    Yes. Didn`t he just.

    I understand his replacement managed a very fine 0 against Northants the other day.

    Come to think of it there`s probably more EPL knowledge in your cricket team than there is in our ****ing board room.
     
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  17. Commachio

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    Sunderland have been made favourites for the drop this season - by their own club sponsors!

    Leading global betting brand Dafabet took over as the Black Cats’ principal partner in the summer and after just two weeks of the new campaign have already made Dick Advocaat’s side favourites for relegation.

    The Black Cats were trounced 4-2 by Leicester City on the opening day before following that up with a 3-1 hammering at home to Norwich City at the Stadium of Light.

    As a result, Sunderland have been made favourites to drop down into the Championship come the end of the season.


    Dafabet have them at 5/8 favourites to be relegated, ahead of Watford 11/10, Bournemouth (6/5) and Norwich City (5/4) - the top flight’s newest members
     
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  18. mackemwelder

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    Some ****er send this to Ellis Short please.
     
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    He would probably just put a bet on
     
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  20. Vincemac

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    I ve just posted on another thread.if what we believe is true we ****ed.having said that I DONT BELIEVE HALF THE THINGS THE MEDIA SAY .<bubbly>
     
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