I understand why you feel that way and would always defend your right to demonstrate your views esp as you do not seem like the type that join the anti fascist movement just for the aggro, however, I do think the anti protests at the same time as the marches cause more trouble than the marches alone would and peoples energies could be used in a far more positive way.
Always find it odd that people identify skin colour as the main factor in any racial differences. May as well say red-haired people are a different race. People from east Africa are genetically different to those from west Africa, but as they have the same/similar ******* skin colour some people (even some black people) consider them the same 'race'. Very odd. So are Aboriginal Australians the same race as Africans? No such thing as a 'white' race.
I think you guys are missing the point though....this wasn't a peaceful march being planned these Neanderthals weren't planning a trip down Church Street with a few "gas the Jews" or "******s out" placards...these bellends were openly discussing causing violent trouble and the size of the knives they were bringing along etc. In return they got pelted with some veg and eggs...poor them eh They were openly advertising their violent intentions and frankly I think they got off lightly. I didn't hear the antis saying they'd burn Liverpool to the ground or stab people because of the colour of their skin so comparing the two groups is bizarre.
The police? Protecting the people of Liverpool? That'd be a first. Even if the letter was a set up their twitter feed (as i posted yesterday) shows their intentions clearly enough.
I would be very happy if we abandoned the concept of race. It serves very little purpose. Almost no one is "pure race" back 17 generations anyway. By stressing peoples races it only furthers divisions. At least here in the US. Not sure if UK is as bad I haven't been There in so long.. :-( There again the part of UK I grew up in was almost entirely white. I knew one kid who was half Indian growing up. (everyone loved him, in part because he was cool and unique). Think I spoke to my first black person in America as a teenager. (certainly didn't have my first black friend or girlfriend until the US). I don't remember many racists growing up though (in cheshire)... The worst I recall growing up was a few kids called me "a paki" in the summer because of my eastern European ancestry (my skin got noticably darker than my classmates when tanned). I don't think I even understood what "a paki" was at the time... Didn't realise it was a slur against Pakistani people. Contrast to where I live now where white is a minority.
The anti-fascist weren't saying they'd burn down Liverpool (must resist temptation for cheap joke ) but they were antagonising the situation by throwing stuff. Not sure what you mean by "got off lightly". What more should they have done and how much worse would that have made the situation for the police and the public? It could have escalated into a mass riot. Also regarding the fascist themselves, were the threats of causing violence in that letter really from them? Otherwise if they were doing it openly they would have been arrested as it's against the law and I'm sure the police would have stopped the march. I hate being in a position where I'm in any way defending these w@nkers or in fact questioning those who protest against it. I'm just trying to see what's the best way forward. Sometimes the best way is to ignore them and they dwindle (like with the EDL). HOWEVER, I must stress, it isn't enough as a society to deal with extremists, I do believe we as a society need to be SEEN to be countering them also. As they say, for evil to succeed it takes good men to do nothing.
Everyone has the right to a peaceful protest. The racist and the anti fascists. However as is often the case, one side is incapable of protesting peacefully so violence breaks out. Sadly, the anti fascists are quite often the ones to go too far. Mainly because within their ranks they have 'anarchists' who do nothing more than look to cause trouble. which was the group hiding their faces? That's often telling in who is causing or likely to cause trouble. That letter the racists apparently wrote cannot be real? Surely nobody is that stupid, even inbred racists.
It doesn't help that the anti fascist groups are also extremists. There is a middle ground that neither side seems aware of. The left is becoming more and more extreme too. Yesterday I saw a post from that **** comic, Gervais, about a Spanish guy killed by a bull. Now bullfighting is an abhorrent sport with no place in today's society but 3000+ comments, most of which were celebrating the death of a human turned my stomach. They fail to see anything wrong in gleefully celebrating death. I don't care who you are or what your beliefs are, you are a disturbed person if you take pleasure in another's death. People like hi, and the equally **** Brand have been doing this a lot. Brand was made to look like a right **** with his qe2 nazi thing. Attention seeking smack head.
I don't mind Brand tbh (although he does go too far sometimes) At least he says things as they are and highlights the plight of those facing real injustice around the world. The fact he has a huge following can only be a good thing for those issues to be raised.
You have to be careful, sometimes the group protesting for what seems right can often become the biggest problem. Having good intentions doesn't mean you can do whatever it takes to get your point across. Around the world we see protest groups, freedom fighters, separatists, all who believe their intentions are good, are right and hope to bring a better life to us all, becoming the enemy. They need to show they are better by being better. Not by using fear and intimidation. They are no better than the groups and governments they claim to detest.
He abuses his role sometimes. He's in a great position to get the right message out there. Instead, in too many cases, he and others are inciting hatred and violence against who they perceive to be wrong. they feed the mob mentality that turns normal, sensible people on to raging nutters celebrating death and destruction. These same idiots then complain about ISIS celebrating death and destruction. how ****ing stupid can you get!
We can only presume the letter sent to Joe Anderson was bona fide from the NA. Why would anybody send a bogus letter? That would mean they have amazing skill of looking into the future and knowing he would publish any letter from the NA online! So he took it as real and the threats as real, some people read it and turned up to counter the protest. Don't forget a large percentage were just ordinary citizens like Page. The Echo printed pictures and most of them were ordinary citizens with banners saying 'not in our city' and such like. please log in to view this image please log in to view this image please log in to view this image
Can you honestly not think of a reason why someone would want to smeer a racist group? No reason at all? Especially as the man in question was trying to prevent the protest, which is just as bad as being a racist or an extreme anti facist. They have every right to protest and believe in what they like, just as we all have the right to call them out for being ****s. When that right is taken away, we are in trouble. Some small minded racists or UAF thugs will be the least lf our worries.
