How can you say ERC have wasted money ? HCC are experts at it, they wanted to build a tunnel under the river Hull, after all the surveys had been done, they decided to move it a few metres further down but didn't do anymore testing to save some cash. Anyway after they dug the tunnel it started leaking so had to be abandoned wasting millions.
The first comment wasn't really serious, I was just responding in kind. The second point was more serious, hearts and minds have to be won before people will get on board with a closer working relationship and that needs both sides to see a benefit, they currently don't.
The tunnel was designed and attempted to be constructed by private consultants and contractors, working on behalf of Hull C C. The failure was theirs. They even had the pptenyial problem pointed out to them before they started. When it first cropped up, they still decided it was coming from the river rather than the land and acted to stem that, despite being told otherwise. Do you like the new southern by - pass around Beverley? Anyone used it yet? Talking of that by - pass. Anyone involved in the consultation that's seen Beverley 's boundary effectively expand? No? Did you know the housing around Morrisons was classed as Woodmansey when they were built. Imagine if Hull did that.
'In kind' being the style of the East Riding immigrants? I agree with the second point. It's why I've been responding to some of the I'll - informed bigoted nonsense posted on this thread.
Joint working between them will never happen until there is a dramatic shift in the way HCC conducts it's self.
Joint working already happens between various authorities in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire. One of the stumbling blocks for expanding that is the attitude of the East Riding. It's a major factor in holding this region back.
Two simple questions..... With closer working, other than cost savings by sharing administrative services as I have mentioned in the past (eg benefits/revenues) & a shared policy for planning/economic development/tourism just what benefits are there for the East Riding ? Additionally, what benefits would there be for the East Riding in the second & unwanted proposal of changing the boundaries to expand the area of the current HCC (something which would reduce the revenue of ERYC while not really changing the area over which it provides services)
Visited Ferens over the weekend and although impressive there is still nothing for a part of the City centre that looks abandoned. All around the BBC building looks like a ghost town the area badly needs some tlc.
You're asking the wrong questions. The boundary is a red herring, expensively thrown in by Parnaby. It's also not so much about cost savings, but areas of benefit. Ignore the lboundaries, paranioa, bigotry and politics, would a combined effort from all in the region ( the enquiry that provoked Parnaby is non-political) benefit or be to the detriment of the East Riding?
It depends .....just how much co-operation & in which areas !! There need to be visible benefits to all areas, not just Hull for it to work......Hull should stop considering itself to be the focal point & main partner in any discussions ..... when it can be shown that there will be clear benefits to all parties involved then closer working can be an option.....I would still personally prefer a single North/East Yorkshire powerhouse & I still see the natural centre being York...without boundary changes being needed....allowing the councils we have now to function autonomously but with key service provision, purchasing & area wide strategy being managed from one central point
Hull isn't trying to be the centre. In a few of the suggestions, the benefits to the region could arguably not be in Hull's best interest, but tbey're seen to be right for the bigger picture, but then, it's not Hull that would be making the decisions anyway. The current group looking at it are independent and from a variety of different disciplines and back grounds. The East Riding would have a bigger say if it actually bothered to attend and represent it's constituents. You seem hung up on power, and a single scheme, when what is being proposed is neither. Your view is one held by some in the east riding that seem to be content in their ignorance, and don't seem to see how they are worse than the people they whinge about as far as holding the region back.
Are you trying to suggest that a greater Yorkshire authority & powerbase would not have greater influence on a national stage than one made up of HCC & ERYC ? It's not power, it's national influence on national policy & economies of scale.... The worst option for me is any joint working involving the South bank authorities which have nothing in common with the North bank
Eh? You're just picking random single hypothetical scenarios now. Why not have a look at what the group in question are actually looking at instead of these random things? To answer your question, a power house from the Humber to the Merseyside and up to Hadrians Wall would have even greater influence than that, and like your suggestion, I doubt this region would get much out of it, hence people looking at different options
Are you serious The authorities where urged ladt week both north and. south to work together for the good of the region. So you kbow better do uou
An interesting take on pedestrianisation (it obviously hasn't worked in many of the areas it's been implemented, but it's unlikely to be changed back)... Death by a thousand bricks please log in to view this image In the late 80's or was it the early 90's Hull betook itself of a scheme to pedestrianise parts of the city centre. Whitefriargate's pedestrianisation in the 70's having been deemed a success it was thought that a goodly dose of the same medicine would improve the place. Accordingly Jameson Street, King Edward Street and Queen Victoria Square were closed to traffic and paved over. Then later bricked over, as you see. The idea, no doubt, was to improve the 'shopping experience' and indeed no-one now gets hastled by a bus on King Edward Street but then they never did if they stuck to the pavement. As for the shops they have for the most part gone; I doubt there's single business that was running from before still going now. Instead there's, well as I've said before numerous coffee shops, charity shops, shops selling telephones and discount stores. There's also the inescapable fact that the place looks (I'll be polite here) ugly and drab. I'm told that after about 6pm the whole place is deserted which accounts for the closure of so many restaurants, pubs and so on. Today's paper brings a tale of a restaurant being opened with the forlorn hope to "revive the evening economy", well good luck with that. Now instead of drawing the logical conclusion that bricking the place up was a big mistake the Council is going to polish the turd, as they say in certain parts, and fling millions at 'improvements' for the City of Culture. It won't work, no amount of pavement fountains, arty farty works and so on will bring in the shoppers. (The shops by the way are all in the new shopping mall St Stephens or out of town (people are going to Leeds and Sheffield for their shopping!), we'll skip over the absence of joined up thinking here, shall we?) Well here's my view for it's worth: Admit that the planners were barmy (and quite possibly corrupt, Hull is far from alone in having failed pedestrian schemes all put in in the glorious 90's), rip out the bricks, put in some tarmac and bring back the buses and cars, restore the status quo ante;in short bring back the life that was sucked out by this idiotic scheme. But I suspect it's too late, there's a definite stench of decay but that could just be the drains.... http://hullvalley.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/death-by-thousand-bricks.html?spref=tw
OK looking at the picture, I guess it does look rather dull, so why not add in a grassed playing area for kids with a tea, butty and paper shack so for all those unlucky dads have at least somewhere to sit and let the kids run riot while we sit having a brew and bacon butty reading the paper all while the mrs goes about her shopping.
I had a coffee yesterday in that new Italian cafe , who is trying to get the seats outside , small place but lovely Coffee and real Italian owner with typical cig in hand and waving his hands about all the time , felt like I was in downtown Naples
I don't think the difficulties our city centre has faced over the years can be drawn back to pedestrianisation solely. In fact, I doubt it's the main cause. The suggested works look a vast improvement and are sorely needed, IMO. The city centre is tired, and this will breathe new life I think, rather than kill it further.
I have been following this thread and of course any discussion where Hull and the East Riding are involved is bound to be robust on both sides but I just wonder where it all went wrong for Hull. If my memory serves me right then from the age of about 10 I remember the city center being a hive of activity in all areas, shops that were busy pavements were bustling but traffice in and around places like Whitefriargate made things tricky at times. We had a wonderful market outside of Holy Trinity where you had to queue up for Carvers fish & chips, with or without mushy peas, ships were still in Princes Dock. Department stores were aplenty but independant shops thrived alonside of the bigger stores although it had to be said supermarkets had yet to be established. Move along a few years into my teens, 14/15 in the 60's and the city centre had an abundance of coffee bars and music venues to cater for most peoples tastes, musical and otherwise. Locarno was a destination of mine on a Saturday morning then on a Saturday night it was the City Hall. Move on to the drinking age and the pubs and clubs exploded around Hull City centre, Locarno eventually became L.A.'s, City Hall still thrived, but the likes of Bali Hai, Baileys and others meant that we were spoilt for choice and that's not counting the places on the perifery of Hull. But move on to the 80's and 90's and I changed, family responsibilites, mortgages and the like meant that I never kept up with the changing scene in the City Centre but something happened. I was invited on a young lads batchelor night out from work and so my first venture in to the City Center for years took place and I was shocked, it was a ghost town, L.A.'s had shut down, Circus Circus (Spensers Arms as I remember it) and many other venues were no more, we ended up in the Old Town where by this time the lad to be wed was out of it more or less so I decided that my presence was not really needed so I got a bus home. Now I hardly venture out of the house for a night out and my visits to the city center tend to be in daylight where St Stephens is usually buzzing and the area around that other 1st class shopping centre Princes Quay is a shadow of it former self. Something happened to the once thriving Hull City centre and I don't know what but I can't see a lick of paint (new pavers then) doing much to aliviate that situation, sad, very sad.
In a related observation. I walked through station for the first time in a while. That perfectly nice, small flower stall, has now exploded to take up a huge amount of floor space. Tacked onto it are some really tired looking greeting cards displays. Looks like they've been ripped out of an old newsagents. Close by is one of those ****ty phone repair stalls. That coffee stall by the front entrance has closed down, to be replaced by a confectionary and tat stall. Complete with more tired looking shelving units, sprawling outwards. Now I'm all for people making a living, but this all contributes to making the place look very naff. Who allows these things?
