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Is Pochettino out of his depth?

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by remembercolinlee, Aug 15, 2015.

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Is Pochettino going to fail as Spurs Manager?

  1. yes

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  2. no

    34.0%
  3. if we keep faith with him he will prove to be a succes

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  1. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    Maybe the liverpool and saints fans could take their tiff else where?
    we have enough of our own problems without being marriage guidance to you lot <laugh>
     
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  2. Skylarker

    Skylarker PL High Commissioner

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    He's not a Saints fan he set that account up as a Liverpool wum account. My guess is he's a Utd fan <ok>
     
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  3. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member
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    Don't worry, I'm sure the title's on this year.
    For Gerrard, anyway.
     
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  4. Skylarker

    Skylarker PL High Commissioner

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    Anyway I'm only here to offer my condolences to my good friend HIAG.
     
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  5. Skylarker

    Skylarker PL High Commissioner

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    Be nice for him to add to his pile of medals <ok>
     
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  6. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member
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    It would, if they hadn't been nicked.
    No chance of that happening in LA, though...
     
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  7. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    Yeah but if he tries to deck a dj in LA they'll pop a cap in his ass (i is down wid da kidz fam) <party>
     
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    Fingers crossed.
     
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  9. Moorpheus19

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    Replacements are always slow in coming to us. The difference this window is we've been excellent at shifting the deadwood - this has left us light (think I've posted this thought before)

    I think we have to give him time. This window has shown that there is at least some form of vision and plan for the team based on who is coming in and who is leaving.

    To turn on him now would be stupid and would then have the next manager spending time and money converting the team to their own vision and style.
     
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  10. Citizen Kane

    Citizen Kane Danny Rosebud

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    I think HIAG's opening response sums it up for me. We're without question an outside bet for top 4, more or less nailed on for Europa, and we have a manager whose limits are probably just that - Europa qualification either via a trophy or league finish.

    I think Poch - like many, many managers before him, has had his hands tied by our absurd transfer window shenanigans that we seem to masochistically pursue every single transfer window. If and when Levy retires as chairman, I would like him to publish a detailed account explaining what we actually tangibly gained through our traditional and comical dallying (Dele Alli-ing?) in strengthening positions that were obviously to everyone and his dog in need of investment. It's laughable that teams with far smaller budgets than us can get their targets in early and without the circus coming to town. Look at Ayew at Swansea, Payet at Spam, Okazaki at the champions elect...all in and had an instant impact. If I was a PL manager of a club expected to be challenging for a top 4 place and I was told to start a game without an single striker on the bench, I would quit on the spot.

    Your second point Moorph truly worries me. The massive disadvantage of 'technical' managers like MP and AVB is that they require very, very specific personnel to make their system 'work'. I like using The Smug One as an example, but his ruthlessness in the market at Chelsea and the quality of players he's let go proves this point. Not only does our bizarre transfer window behaviour make this even harder than it already is by bringing in players who simply aren't suited to the 4-2-3-1 system (Soldado, Paulinho, Fazio etc), but it also makes it extremely difficult for another manager to step in and impose his own style. Think about it - he'd be taking over a squad with no wide players, strikers who can't play up front as a 2, midfielders who can't cross, and central midfielders who aren't quite AM and aren't quite DM's because we can't afford Matic or Fabregas so they have to be box-to-box engines above all else.

    One of the beauties of the simplistic, traditional 4-4-2 formation is that any manager with half a brain can step in to the role and start getting results. Without meaning to take away from his achievements here, this is why Harry could step in and with an entirely inherited squad deliver 4 wins and a draw in his first 6 matches as manager. Try putting Harry in charge of the current squad and I honestly don't think he'd know where to begin. He'd look around for his midfield enforcer to go with his deep playmaker and find neither. He'd look for some pacy wide men and find none. The biggest worry I have about our newfangled fiddly and technical approach is that it is very difficult to reverse the style without spending an absolute fortune.
     
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  11. Sidney Fiddler

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    No manager can win anything under these tight
    greedy slapheads running , owning the club .
    Poch is bang average which suits Teflon Dan .
    No top manager would ever come with such restrictions
    Our transfer policy is the work of idiots . Know we sign
    sell on prospects or crap cheap squad players . Bill would
    turn in his grave .
    1 minor cup this century says it all.
    lt is obvious to others under these cretins
    football plays 3rd fiddle to business and long term
    sell on profit .
    When they have gone is when we will rise again.
     
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  12. Spurlock

    Spurlock Homeboy
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    god knows why so many Spurs fans think we can attract top tier managers. The types that are pondering over taking a job at a CL regular team or us.
     
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  13. Boss

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    The club have reached a level that means most fans hope and some demand a top four challenge and spurlock I remember you believing we stood a chance last season(which isn't a dig) as nothing wrong with hoping we can finish top four, but with Poch, top four won't happen.

    If we're happy to finish 5-7th, have a cup run and bring through youth until we move to a new stadium and then attempt to progress further, then I'm sure Pochettino is capable of such league finishes, but some of you have this fantasy that we're moving into our new stadium with this young exciting team and once that happens, big money will be spent and success will happen, everything is going to go smoothly in this long term plan.

    Most of you ignore other teams are getting stronger and they also have ambitions and there is no guarantee our young players will develop to be as great as some predict, while Lloris and Eriksen may end up looking to move before we reach our new stadium.

    While it wouldn't surprise me to see another billionaire take over a premier league with the FFP rules relaxed and the new TV deal.
     
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  14. KingHotspur

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    I think he got the job because Levy sees him as a Yes man who won't challenge him on his strict budget for transfers or the fact he has a DoF above like AvB did and he won't run to the press like Sherwood or Harry.

    We kept hearing about a fast attacking style with high pressing and expansive play. So far it's been dull and without Kane I think Poch would of been sacked already as we would of been around 10th last season.
     
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  15. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    Arsenal are well ahead of Liverpool I think Liverpool will be well ahead of us this season.

    I'm more worried about Stoke, Swansea, Eveton and Palace tbh.
     
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    Some days ago I asked those posters who thought that Pochettino was the wrong man to suggest realistic alternatives. Unless I've missed a post or two there have not been any suggestions yet.
     
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    On what are you basing that? He would have been told the financial restrictions of the club - and of course he has to work within that. The alternative is having the manager decide what the club can afford and we know that wouldn't work. But looking at Pochettino's time at Southampton doesn't suggest a yes man. He fell out with the Southampton board over the sacking of Nicola Cortese by all accounts
     
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  18. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    Only 5 people that he is going to fail...of those maybe none want him gone but just think he will fail.
    The only poster that I know for certain wants him gone is OS (not having a dig at OS) so i think that's why there are no alternatives being suggested...along with the fact that that most of us think we can't keep changing managers
     
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  19. Spurm

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    These are not mine, but if you were to get answers you get:
    Pulis - from Boss
    Klopp - from delusional people
     
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  20. paultheplug

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    Pulls fails on basis of not wearing a suit, amongst other things:emoticon-0116-evilg
     
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