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Off Topic 2016 US Presidential Election

Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by rainermariarilke, Aug 1, 2015.

  1. SwanHills

    SwanHills Well-Known Member

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    No, no, Rainer, your thread is necessary and will gather momentum over the next 15-months or so. It's just that it's always been my feeling, for many years now, how bloody grotesque their primaries are, absolute circuses. Makes us look almost civilized? It would indeed be funny, if it all wasn't so damn serious, as I have already said. The US, Russia, and China are so goddamn powerful that they hold the rest of the world at their mercy. In many respects, all three are as mad as March hares, especially the extreme-right Tea Party people of the US. They are crackers. The Russian and Chinese leaders have barely changed in years, in reality, just continue to be Dangerous, with a capital 'D'. Didn't mean to upset people on here, but I have strong views on the far-right of the Republican Party. Psychopathic fanatics, particularly to the young people of the United States, who might have to go and fight a war (the last one?) for these lunatics.
     
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    I see it's warming up nicely. These election threads are crackers.
     
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  3. Cyclonic

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    The "Donald" seems to racing to the right at the speed of light. After earlier slating some illegal border crossing people from the South as rapists and murderers, Donald has called for a "great, great wall" to separate parts of the USA from Mexico. While Jeb and others look to cement the Hispanic vote, he of the bouffant looks to be playing another game. Maybe the redneck vote will come to his rescue.
     
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    The Donald is at it again. Hillary should be in prison for what she's done with the emails. Nice pic going around of Bill and Hillary. The caption has him asking her if he's free to date when she goes to prison. <laugh>
     
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  5. SwanHills

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    "Chump" should be "detained at the Supreme Court's pleasure". Delusions of grandeur, and God knows what?
     
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  6. mallafets

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    Trump should be given White house and would be my vote. He says he will make the Gov work for the people instead of the huge companies buying them by paying off senators/governers etc. Clinton and Bush will certainly be in the pockets of the money men. Trump says he wll cut that off, likely he would not survive doing it mind but being a billionaire at least he would likely try unless he is telling a lot of porkies which is possible too. You always know who the real powers that be are worried about by how the main stream press go after them. Happening here with Corbyn at the moment. He is bang on with the immigration in the US, it is all about the importation of minimum wage labour and not by coincidence the same is happening in Europe and UK.
     
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  7. SwanHills

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    IMHO he is too unstable for a position of such power, mallafets?

    Here is the latest on this 4-yearly saga. Surprised at Fox News having a go at some of their own, didn't think they had it in them, frankly:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33840025
     
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  8. mallafets

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    Unstable, not a chance. In modern society today people are terrified of public figures telling the truth, being outspoken and actually getting things done. The public by large is used to public figures being bland, not having much of a stand point on most topics, and always playing it safe.
    You do not make billions without being able to negotiate, delegate, being adaptable, etc etc. Unless of coarse he has become unstable lately.
    So when someone comes along like Trump or Farage this side of the pond people don't get the straight talk, the facts, the direct answers to problems. If you do your research regarding Farage, more often than not he is proven right but the public do not like truth 9/10.
    I think Trump with what he has had to say so far will likely be proved correct in the near future.
     
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  9. SwanHills

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    We are all entitled to our opinions, I respect that, but, despite his business successes, he, and Farage too, have both proven mentally unstable at times; both of whom have shown themselves to be out-and-out bullies on occasions. Check it out. To have someone like Trump in full charge of a super-power would be a catastrophe for this planet. Diplomacy, however distasteful at times, is better than WW3, which most certainly will be the last one.
     
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    The USA has somewhere in the vicinity of 7500 nuclear weapons at it's disposal. Vlad has about the same. I don't think I'd want the Donald in charge.
     
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  11. mallafets

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    Of coarse it is all about opinions, none of us can be correct until it becomes history. Farage is very much anti war, he is the probably the least likely politician in UK to go to war. Now tell me who would of said Blair was unstable when in power? There is not a chance in hell Trump is anywhere near unstable. Forcibly arguing something you think is right is not unstable. I do not think any current western politician serving or in opposition would press the button first to start WW3.
     
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    Nope, shouldn't do. Fingers crossed. As we speak though, I'm doing stretching exercises just in case I have to kiss my arse goodbye. :emoticon-0172-mooni
     
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    OK, mallafets, your confidence in these two people is admirable, but I must stick with my opinion that both are extremely erratic and unreliable, which is just not good enough for high office.
     
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    Could you provide a dozen pieces of evidence as examples to prove they are erratic and/or unreliable?
     
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    <laugh>
     
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    :rolleyes: Quite easily, I could provide 2-dozen actually, which would include instances of where they have shown quite frequently that they are both odious bullies, but I don't have the time! Let's just stick with our own opinions on these characters, i.e. you support them, I'll try to do something more worthwhile.

    You know, I don't know what you guys think, but I haven't been too impressed with one Jeb Bush so far?
     
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  17. Chaninbar

    Chaninbar The Crafty Cockney

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    Farage, though entertaining in British politics, is largely irrelevant. Trump however considers himself to be capable of running a superpower. Watch You've Been Trumped (available on youtube) and consider if this bloke is someone that you'd be happy to take up residence in the White House. Don't know whether he is unstable or not, though pretty sure he is an egomaniac and a bully. He clearly has some talent too in that he's built up a billion dollar organisation. However I'd be very concerned if the the US electorate decided he was the one.
     
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  18. mallafets

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    Can't say I agree you could find unstable characteristics in Trump, if any health professional could I am sure the liberal US press would have it broadcast.
    As for Jeb Bush, I think he is being cautious at the moment due to the name. No doubt Daddies powerful friends will be working on getting him in.
     
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  19. mallafets

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    4m votes and irrelevant? How many issues has he driven the Gov to act upon the last couple of years? I have always voted Tory until the last election where I switched to UKIP as I want ou the EU. So did millions of others, irrelevant?
     
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    Chaninbar The Crafty Cockney

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    In my view he's irrelevant in the grand scheme of things because (1) his 4 million votes got his party 1 seat - due to the voting system that should be changed but won't be anytime soon and (2) because the UK is not a superpower. Trump on the other hand fancies being in charge of the activation codes for the US' arsenal of nuclear weapons. Given his fairly evident lack of diplomacy, his inability to accept the views of others without resorting to insults and ever contemplate the idea that he might not always be right, I wouldn't want him anywhere near the White House.
     
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