The Trainer Column (NOT 606's Own Pricewise)

That betting on who will win The Apprentice must be a license to print money for anybody on the inside. I used to work with a couple of people that made some beer money using their inside knowledge of the call stats to bet on who would get voted off Big Brother each week but the bookies will not take big bets as they only offer the odds for the publicity they get out of it.

Personally I expect Helen to win on Sunday because the Final is an interview stage and they all have to produce a business plan. Although she does not have any background running a business, she has shown the ability to plan and her winning team on Wednesday did have something of a plan written down.

Jim has spent the whole process kissing the Blarney Stone and Tom is too introverted. Susie’s youth is going to count against her as I think she will not have any experience of producing a business plan.

 

I'm inclined to agree with Reliable Man, he won the French Derby on only his 3rd race course appearance, so he clearly has more potential to improve than Treasure Beach, so il be with Reliable Man also

 

Why is Aiden O'Brien only interested in giving instructions to Ryan Moore on Markmanship?

A backup bet me thinks.

 

Unlucky today joe, keep reeling those winners off!!

What does everythink of the Grand Prix. Really thought Seville was going to win (and hoping, had a small e/w wager on him) until what a ride for Maxime Guyon, played the perfect waiting game! then struck! Treasure beach was disappointing imo. But was a very good race

 

Treasure Beach didn't stay the trip in the soft ground, he may be a Galileo colt, but there isn't much stamina on the dam side, so the testing conditions probably allowed Seville to reverse form, and he has plenty of stamina in his pedigree.

Not sure what excuses could be made for Reliable Man, before the race I felt he was good thing, but clearly he just isnt good enough, he should have enjoyed the ground, and improved for the step up in trip.

The winner looked impressive, and had clearly progressed having scraped home in a listed race last time, must admit I didn't give him much of a chance beforehand, but that's racing

 

I've tried to gather all tips from Joe and shown the return to £1 level stakes. Hope I haven't missed any winners. All prices are SP. I have assumed all selections with SP 10/1 or higher to be ew bets. I've sorted winning bets by Amount Returned on stake and losing bets by date etc. Can obviously analyse and sort in any order if required.

I think everyone would regard this as impressive tipping and, although I haven't checked, I think it compares favourably with the Timeform Jury Service.

I've also tried to categorise them by Very Confident (accompanied by bullish comments), Fairly Confident (no comment other than "nap"), Mention (just mentioned), Caution (accompanied by cautionary comment), Personal Choice (where it's clear this is a personal selection). But that's open to interpretation and I haven't shown that report.

The Trainer

12/07/2011 Yarmouth 7.30 Danzoe £0.50 ew £1.00 14/1 W £9.75
15/06/2011 Royal Ascot 5.35 Rhythm Of Light £1.00 win £1.00 8/1 W £9.00
30/06/2011 Haydock 3.30 Ryan Style £0.50 ew £1.00 12/1 W £8.50
06/06/2011 Windsor 7.45 Style And Panache £1.00 win £1.00 7/1 W £8.00
24/06/2011 Doncaster 3.25 Kazbow £1.00 win £1.00 7/1 W £8.00
13/06/2011 Carlisle 5.15 Bid For Gold £0.50 ew £1.00 11/1 W £7.88
04/07/2011 Ripon 8.20 El Viento £1.00 win £1.00 13/2 W £7.50
13/07/2011 Catterick 3.50 Cadeaux Pearl £1.00 win £1.00 6/1 W £7.00
19/06/2011 Pontyefract 5.40 Close To The Edge £1.00 win £1.00 5/1 W £6.00
20/06/2011 Lingfield 3.20 Street Secret £0.50 ew £1.00 8/1 W £6.00
30/06/2011 Newbury 9.10 Western Prize £1.00 win £1.00 9/2 W £5.50
14/06/2011 Royal Ascot 4.25 Power £1.00 win £1.00 4/1 W £5.00
16/06/2011 Royal Ascot 5.35 Brown Panther £1.00 win £1.00 4/1 W £5.00
28/06/2011 Brighton 2.30 Interakt £1.00 win £1.00 7/2 W £4.50
11/07/2011 Ayr 5.30 Jewelled Dagger £1.00 win £1.00 7/2 W £4.50
08/06/2011 Kempton. 7.15 Mosaicist £1.00 win £1.00 3/1 W £4.00
10/06/2011 Sandown. 4.00 Watneya £1.00 win £1.00 3/1 W £4.00
11/06/2011 Leicester 8.00 Catfish £1.00 win £1.00 3/1 W £4.00
11/06/2011 Limerick 5.15 La Collina £1.00 win £1.00 9/4 W £3.25
14/06/2011 Brighton. 6.30 My Lucky Liz £1.00 win £1.00 9/4 W £3.25
11/07/2011 Ayr 2.30 Timeless Elegance £1.00 win £1.00 9/4 W £3.25
06/06/2011 Windsor 8.45 Muffraaj £1.00 win £1.00 2/1 W £3.00
11/07/2011 Ayr 4.30 Shamdarley £1.00 win £1.00 2/1 W £3.00
14/06/2011 Royal Ascot 5.00 Ermyn Lodge £0.50 ew £1.00 16/1 2nd £2.50
14/06/2011 Royal Ascot 5.35 Stonefield Flyer £0.50 ew £1.00 16/1 2nd £2.50
07/07/2011 Doncaster 9.15 Go Nani Go £0.50 ew £1.00 16/1 2nd £2.50
14/06/2011 Royal Ascot 2.30 Canford Cliffs £1.00 win £1.00 11/8 W £2.38
10/06/2011 Goodwood 7.55 Club Oceanic £1.00 win £1.00 5/4 W £2.25
23/06/2011 Hamilton 8.30 Doc Hay £1.00 win £1.00 5/4 W £2.25
04/07/2011 Ripon 7.50 Dragonera £1.00 win £1.00 5/4 W £2.25
05/07/2011 Wolverhampton 5.45 Annes Rocket £0.50 ew £1.00 14/1 3rd £2.25
06/06/2011 Naas 4.40 Teolane. £1.00 win £1.00 11/10 W £2.10
16/06/2011 Royal Ascot 3.05 Dorcas Lane £0.50 ew £1.00 10/1 3rd £1.75
29/06/2011 Kempton 6.20 Mymumsaysimthebest £1.00 win £1.00 8/11 W £1.73
11/06/2011 York 4.25 Swiss Spirit £1.00 win £1.00 4/6 W £1.67
30/06/2011 Newbury 8.10 Primo Lady £0.50 ew £1.00 8/1 2nd £1.50
06/07/2011 Bath 5.10 Pats Legacy £1.00 win £1.00 NR £1.00
02/06/2011 Lingfield 3.50 Spring Daisy £0.50 ew £1.00 12/1 L £0.00
02/06/2011 Sandown 8.10 Danehill Dante £1.00 win £1.00 5/2 L £0.00
03/06/2011 Curragh, 6.00 Tashqeel £1.00 win £1.00 11/4 2nd £0.00
03/06/2011 Epsom 2.10 Citrus Star £0.50 ew £1.00 14/1 L £0.00
03/06/2011 Epsom 2.10 Tartan Gigha £1.00 win £1.00 8/1 L £0.00
03/06/2011 Epsom 3.25 Beaumonts Party £1.00 win £1.00 7/2 4th £0.00
06/06/2011 Folkestone 3.30 Welsh Inlet £1.00 win £1.00 13/2 3rd £0.00
06/06/2011 Naas 4.10 Requinto £1.00 win £1.00 6/4 L £0.00
07/06/2011 Salisbury 3.55 Moone's My Name £1.00 win £1.00 4/5 3rd £0.00
07/06/2011 Salisbury 4.30 Istisharra £1.00 win £1.00 7/4 4th £0.00
08/06/2011 Kempton. 7.45 El Mansour £1.00 win £1.00 13/2 3rd £0.00
10/06/2011 Sandown. 2.50 Speightowns Kid £1.00 win £1.00 6/4 3rd £0.00
10/06/2011 Sandown. 3.25 Iceni Girl £1.00 win £1.00 9/2 2nd £0.00
10/06/2011 York 3.15 Dubara Reef £0.50 ew £1.00 16/1 L £0.00
10/06/2011 York 3.50 Rooknrasbryripple £1.00 win £1.00 7/2 L £0.00
10/06/2011 York 4.25 Rocket Rob £1.00 win £1.00 7/1 L £0.00
10/06/2011 York 4.55 Dressing Room £1.00 win £1.00 5/1 4th £0.00
11/06/2011 Limerick 5.50 Afraz £1.00 win £1.00 9/4 L £0.00
11/06/2011 Limerick 6.20 Shiramiyna £1.00 win £1.00 9/2 4th £0.00
11/06/2011 Limerick 6.50 Simla Sunset £0.50 ew £1.00 12/1 4th £0.00
12/06/2011 Cork 4.40 London Plane £1.00 win £1.00 8/1 L £0.00
13/06/2011 Roscommon 6.20 Tashqeel £1.00 win £1.00 15/8 2nd £0.00
13/06/2011 Windsor 8.00 Gatewood £1.00 win £1.00 7/1 2nd £0.00
14/06/2011 Royal Ascot 3.05 Star Witness £1.00 win £1.00 6/1 2nd £0.00
15/06/2011 Hamilton 4.10 Horatio Carter £0.50 ew £1.00 22/1 L £0.00
15/06/2011 Royal Ascot 2.30 Codemaster £1.00 win £1.00 7/4 2nd £0.00
15/06/2011 Royal Ascot 3.05 Sajjhaa £1.00 win £1.00 100/30 4th £0.00
16/06/2011 Royal Ascot 2.30 Bannock £1.00 win £1.00 9/2 L £0.00
17/06/2011 Royal Ascot 2.30 Teolane £1.00 win £1.00 5/4 L £0.00
17/06/2011 Royal Ascot 3.05 Mijhaar £1.00 win £1.00 100/30 4th £0.00
17/06/2011 Royal Ascot 3.45 Theyskens Theory £1.00 win £1.00 6/1 L £0.00
17/06/2011 Royal Ascot 4.25 Green Destiny £1.00 win £1.00 6/4 L £0.00
20/06/2011 Hamilton 2.10 Winter Hill £1.00 win £1.00 4/6 L £0.00
20/06/2011 Hamilton 4.10 Amethyst Dawn £1.00 win £1.00 7/2 3rd £0.00
20/06/2011 Hamilton 4.40 Nay Secret £0.50 ew £1.00 40/1 L £0.00
20/06/2011 Kempton 3.15 Best Trip £1.00 win £1.00 9/4 2nd £0.00
21/06/2011 Brighton. 5.30 Welsh Inlet £1.00 win £1.00 6/1 3rd £0.00
21/06/2011 Newbury. 7.15 Way Too Hot £1.00 win £1.00 9/4 2nd £0.00
24/06/2011 Chester 7.45 Captivator £1.00 win £1.00 100/30 2nd £0.00
24/06/2011 Chester 8.50 Cadore £1.00 win £1.00 8/1 4th £0.00
24/06/2011 Doncaster 4.00 Basantee £1.00 win £1.00 15/8 2nd £0.00
24/06/2011 Folkestone 3.40 Curtains £1.00 win £1.00 7/1 3rd £0.00
28/06/2011 Brighton 3.00 Mandhooma £1.00 win £1.00 11/2 2nd £0.00
29/06/2011 Fairyhouse 7.30 History Note £1.00 win £1.00 4/1 L £0.00
29/06/2011 Kempton 8.20 Merchant Of Medici £1.00 win £1.00 5/2 3rd £0.00
30/06/2011 Haydock 4.00 Balcarce Nov £1.00 win £1.00 9/2 L £0.00
30/06/2011 Leopardstown 7.00 Snowflake Dancer £1.00 win £1.00 11/2 3rd £0.00
01/07/2011 Haydock 6.45 Chosen One £1.00 win £1.00 13/2 L £0.00
01/07/2011 Sandown 2.20 Doc Hay £1.00 win £1.00 7/4 3rd £0.00
03/07/2011 Ayr 3.45 Northern Fling £1.00 win £1.00 6/1 3rd £0.00
05/07/2011 Pontyefract 3.00 Gold Rules £0.50 ew £1.00 14/1 L £0.00
05/07/2011 Pontyefract 3.30 Rhal £1.00 win £1.00 8/1 4th £0.00
06/07/2011 Catterick 4.50 Viking Warrior £1.00 win £1.00 9/2 3rd £0.00
06/07/2011 Kempton 8.20 Spyder £0.50 ew £1.00 14/1 L £0.00
11/07/2011 Windsor 8.10 Pandorea £1.00 win £1.00 4/1 L £0.00
13/07/2011 Sandown 6.50 Riverdale £1.00 win £1.00 5/1 L £0.00
13/07/2011 Sandown 7.55 Dukes Art £1.00 win £1.00 3/1 3rd £0.00
14/07/2011 Hamilton 2.30 Hinton Admiral £1.00 win £1.00 9/2 L £0.00
14/07/2011 Hamilton 4.50 Sharp Bullet £1.00 win £1.00 7/2 L £0.00
14/07/2011 Longchamp 6:50 Reliable Man £1.00 win £1.00 1/1 3rd £0.00
Totals Stake £97.00 Return £158.49

 

You must have alot of time on your hands Ron

 

Not really Shergar, I just used the naps system. Spent most of the day in the courtyard. Weeds and grass had flourished too well and I've had my hands full trying to tidy up. Still a long way to go.

 

Ron this board really owes you thanks for what you are making it for everyone, you have really come into your own since 606 kicked the bucket.

These stats are superb, i would be very surprised if any tipsters are bettering 60% profit on turnover after around 100 bets. I have never used a racing service but have always felt that if you did you would be paying someone for their homework and sharpness of judgement but i would be surprised if many make anywhere near 60% as i have always felt the ones like Henry Rix rely on making around 10% - 20% of a high turnover if lucky.

The other thing with Joe is he seems to be resisting all the usual traps of good tipsters in as much as getting over excited and losing selectivness when winning and he doesnt trot out the betting cliches (tomorrow will probably post one up and say fill your boots lads this wins head in its chest). He seems like a nice guy to me, he knows he's doing well and getting rightly applauded for great performance but is not getting silly so lets keep appreciating him and supporting him.

 

Reliable Man was very dissappointing, have to say Mosse gave the horse alot to do but wether he would have beaten the winner, I doubt it. At the minute, I think Pour Moi is head and shoulders above the rest of the middle distance 3yos.

Thanks for doing that Ron, very interesting. Hopefully can keep it going and cut out the losers. I cant remeber every tip I have put up but judging by the effort you have put into that, I doubt you have missed anything.

I have been using racecaller for a while and its basically a tipping game where you post 1 bet a day and you can win free bets for finishing in the top 10 every month. A couple of times i have forgot to post and my fancies have won but i have a reasonable record on there. Here is the link to my page if anyone is interested http://www.racecaller.com/user/joe90 there are some good tipsters on that site btw.

Hamilton
7.45 Doc Hay

I fancy this strongly tomorrow for reasons that would take up to much space here. Long story short, things didnt work out for him last time, he is still ahead of his mark and he has a nice draw. I would like to see rain as the softer the better for him but he has sneaked in at the bottom and im sure barring bad luck, he will run a big race at 7/1.

I will post tomorrow if I come across anything.

 

I'm a bit confused mate. Theres somebody called Eddieveee on that site you posted too. Is that not you?

 

Joe I,m putting my £5 or £10 on today so beware it,s not 5lbs or 10 lbs on its back.Cheers and gd luck as always.

 

Linden: Do you ever hear from Galaxy mate? How's the big oaf doing?

 

Echo Echo that

 

Yes fully agree. Thanks Ron

 

No! My user name is copied from him though, he is a bit crazy, Elvis impersonator and he posts about 30 horses everyday claiming them all to be "tips". His name fitted well with the "Straight From The Trainer" joke.

Haydock
3.25 Thirteen Shivers

 

Newmarket
5.50 Kalendar Girl

 

I have just put a post up about Jamhoori in this race Joe as i could not get away from how a maiden it ran in last year has worked out. If it does get beat it will be Kalender girl i feel so am just going to have a reversed forcast now i have seen your post.

 

After many more video replays I think Doc Hay does have a big chance. I'm not as confident as before with my nap Ginger Ted.

The step up in trip to 6F should suit Doc Hay who seems to start slowly, hangs a bit during races and finishes well. In such a large field DH may not get the time to thread it's way through if it was over 5F.

So I will back both.

 

Quest for sucess!!