The lads who I know who hunt would never shoot anything other than a bird on the move, its not practical and to some extent dangerous. In the case of a deer, they are careful with the target area as well as a clean carcass is worth more. In the case of Cecil, this bloke Palmer used a bow on an animal that he must have known, he would only injure, rather than kill with one shot. Taking 40 hours to kill the animal is disgusting and he deserves to be punished, not for the just for the kill, but for the manner of it. His target was the alpha male and due to his actions, not just Cecil suffers, but all of his male offspring will be killed by his successor.
I've always thought that to be a weak argument; does it apply to Kentucky chickens and Norfolk turkeys in equal measure?[/QUOTE] It actually applies to domestic cattle and all food chain animals. There are more because we kill them for food. Cattle now graze on plains once occupied by Bison. A mis-managed food resource plundered without any thought or consideration for the future. Nothing weak about the argument, it is a fact that the management of a species can benefit it when set against the desire for it to be killed. As a consequence other species may be protected. I enjoy meat and fish, I eat it most days. I do care where it comes from and the conditions that it is kept in, but to be honest I care more about how much I pay for it and how it tastes. I like many meat eaters ignore the process of meat production, but I would and have enjoyed eating what I have killed, just as much. When I first took up diving, I had a view that it would be great to come back with a nice lobster or two from a dive, but I soon learned that it is far more satisfying to film them. I will be diving later this year in an area where spear fishing is very popular, I will not take part, but when the catch is on my plate I will eat it. Now that is a weak argument and you can pick at it at will.
Animals FIGHT BACK: Professional hunter trampled to death by elephant he hoped to slay... http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/571085/Professional-hunter-trampled-to-death-elephant
To be honest I'm glad all the internet loonies are kicking off about this as it will make people like this dentist think twice before spending fortunes slaughtering animals for fun, fair enough cull seagulls/deer or whatever but shooting endangered species for ****s and giggles, this guy deserves whatever abuse he gets.
I'm feeding one up in my garden right now as I want to get photos of the local Sparrowhawk coming down and having it for breakfast
It actually applies to domestic cattle and all food chain animals. There are more because we kill them for food. Cattle now graze on plains once occupied by Bison. A mis-managed food resource plundered without any thought or consideration for the future. Nothing weak about the argument, it is a fact that the management of a species can benefit it when set against the desire for it to be killed. As a consequence other species may be protected. I enjoy meat and fish, I eat it most days. I do care where it comes from and the conditions that it is kept in, but to be honest I care more about how much I pay for it and how it tastes. I like many meat eaters ignore the process of meat production, but I would and have enjoyed eating what I have killed, just as much. When I first took up diving, I had a view that it would be great to come back with a nice lobster or two from a dive, but I soon learned that it is far more satisfying to film them. I will be diving later this year in an area where spear fishing is very popular, I will not take part, but when the catch is on my plate I will eat it. Now that is a weak argument and you can pick at it at will.[/QUOTE] Don't want to pick at what you do, just the principle you put forward as if it's fact and it isn't; Grouse would do okay if left to themselves and sply hunted for food - there might not be so many of them but how the hell breeding them to shoot them is beneficial is beyond me.
Animals and humans can and do move at the time of taking the shot, you can only minimise the risk, you can't eliminate it totally. Just as important as marksmanship is the ability to stalk to minimise the range involved.
A what point in your life do you want to pick up a gun/weapon of choice and happily kill a lion/tiger/elephant/leopard/bear etc. Hopefully someone in my family or one of my friends would tell me to stop being such a massive twat and choose another hobby. This at the very least. Walter the dentist is just a cock. He should be told this, and often.
Hmm, maybe, so they could better understand their 'sport', they would allow me to hunt them and knock them out with a tranquilizer; I happily measure and tag them so we would all lnow what fools they are.
The problem is one of social values. In some countries hunting for sport is just seen to be a normal pastime. Just the same as coarse and sea fishing is here. I personally do not get it, but I do eat meat and I have to accept that animals die for me to do it. As I have friends who do hunt, not only here but in the USA, I cannot say that they are bad people for doing it, just that they have a different set off values. To some extent I shared those values and would have hunted along with them. I now would prefer to shoot with a camera, than a rifle. Palmer's actions were and are totally wrong, he had very little chance of a clean kill as he was using a bow adn as a consequence the lion suffered. He was doubly wrong for targeting the alpha male and if he did not know, he should have.
It's not sport though is it? Nor will it ever be sport. It's killing things so let's not call it something else. It's not killing them to eat them either, it's killing them because they have a big **** off weapon and probably a tiny penis and massive gap between their ears. They are bad people. Very bad people. Different set of values = wrong set of values. Stop ****ing killing things. Not really rocket science is it.
I totally agree. My point is that I do not know of anyone who would target a moving animal and that is the difference Where did I post "breeding"? Managing a species can be beneficial. Would there be as many Deer in Scotland if they were not hunted? Down here the deer need to be culled to keep the forest working. In Scotland it is an industry. The deer population in the New Forest has to be managed, no one breeds them to be killed, but they get hunted and enter the food chain.
please log in to view this image that's not hunting mate, it's sheer butchery - ****ing arseholes the lot of them
I am simply saying that some people and other societies have different values and you see them as wrong and that they are bad people for it, but others see it differently. I do not agree with trophy hunting, but it goes on and it will continue to happen as long as there are people who feel the need to boost their ego by killing. How come no one slated the fish shop thread, fish hunted and killed for the plate? Trophy fishing is a big industry and not everything caught is put back. I do not support trophy hunting, or fishing. But I cannot condemn those who consider it sport when I sit down to eat meat or fish.
please log in to view this image please log in to view this image Do you eat meat? Is it all free range?
If you play with fire you can get burnt. I'm not saying I'm happy about the outcome but this sort of thing should be outlawed. RIP Cecil, from your furry friends...
