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Are Liverpool in a Perpetual State of Transition?

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Jimmy Squarefoot, Jul 30, 2015.

  1. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    you'll get my axe you will <ok> :emoticon-0112-wonde
     
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  2. Bodinki

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    So you guys actually disagree with that article......................<yikes>

    Think it was pretty damn spot on.
    Liverpools player turnover has been ridiculous under Rodgers.
    The retired guys were unavoidable fair enough, and yes there was a lot of dead wood needed removing in Rodgers first season.

    But if you are needing to sign 8+ players every summer, you are doing something wrong.....
    Its obvious what the problem is, the "committee" or whatever they are called are making piss poor judgements on picking their transfer targets.

    Raiding Southampton, a team that finished below you etc.

    Under Rodgers, which signings would you class as a great success?

    Sturridge (when he is fit)
    Coutinho
    Can

    Thats about it isn't it?
    All those players you have signed and most are either mediocre (Lallana for example) or utter ****e (Lovren, Balotelli to name two).

    i don't think it can be all put on Rodgers, because he doesn't have sole control of the signings, but they really need to pull their fingers out and maybe improve their scouting system or something, because you are just wasting too much money and signing too many **** players, thats really the nail on the head.
     
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  3. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I always say theres something wrong with rodgers...........

    in the end i'd be more worried if i were you about your side stagnating under sort termism from mourinho <ok>
     
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    4 minutes for one thread and 2 minutes for this <laugh>
     
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  5. Bodinki

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    Don't worry MITO, there is plenty of that on the Chelsea board.
    I have my worries in that department for sure.
    But just thought I would stay on topic for this thread.
     
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    Germlands Nozzer Well-Known Member

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    The good news for Chelsea is that it's a pretty young team overall. Terry's the only one who's pretty old, which is presumably why you're looking at Stones. You could still do with some extra cover in certain positions, but the spine of your team is solid and can remain together for several years to come. I'd say you're in a decent position.
     
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  7. Bodinki

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    Yeah I may be worrying about nothing.
    But I just think we need to make at least 2 more signings to flesh our squad out, especially if we want to be competitive in the CL.

    Liverpool just seem to have a baffling transfer policy to me.
     
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    What two positions would they be? Striker and CB? Or a midfielder?

    I've been surprised at your lack of activity so far. You don't need to go on a spree, but one or two well though-through acquisitions could really strengthen you (like they did last summer).

    I guess Liverpool's hope is to have a solid squad, where we can then do a Chelsea and just add a couple of high-qualty additions each year. I'm guessing the aim was to be in that position this summer, but the squad didn't really work out last season. Let's see if this season turns out better...

    Either that, or we're spending large amounts of money on a vast quantity of decent but not world-class players, with the odd stinker thrown in just to make the fans really unhappy.

    One of those two.
     
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  9. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    i am only having a larf with chelsea... though costa would be worrying me A LOT.

    LFC transfer policy is not baffling at all.. It is stupid as the final say is never clear... the thing is our first 11 is improved year on year even if its one sole world class player was sold. Our midfield IMO is still weak but we aint a push over and if we act like it it will be down to rodgers who should be sacked post haste.

    We should have quite a decent first 11 and options now. in other words no excuses like transitions.
     
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  10. johnsonsbaby

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    I said exactly the same thing in my last post!

    I agree with you about being grateful - if I can call it that - for being where we are today as opposed to where we were 5 years ago. I think a lot of fans reactions are down to individual levels of patience.

    We have to assume that BR and FSG have the club's best interests at heart, short, medium and long term but it shouldn't make them immune from criticism.
     
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    A CB and a midfielder.
    Only 3 CB's really, Terry, Cahill and Zouma, Ivan can play there but is always used a RB. So we need more cover.
    Striker wise, I think we are fine with Costa, Remy and Falcao. We only use one striker, so having 3 should be fine, as long as Remy stays we should be good.
    Its the midfield role next to Matic I think we need to be looking at.
    Oscar plays there a lot, but I feel he is better utilised further forward.
    The other options there are Mikel and Ramires, and I think both of them, if I am frank, are utter ****e.
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    no it shouldn't.... but then rodger sis the one who should get 90% of it. FSG should have a clear organisations structure where we can see where buck stops.. thats their one failing.

    Rodgers should be gone by now... but it should not affect player choices and what it should mean is said organisation knows the types of players needed and can work for 10 years across 3 managers and not take its eye off.

    I hate ok sack manager sack all the coaches and lose 50% of players at least before new man is in.
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I'd agree with CB. cahill and terry is not really up to european top level... age for terry and chaill isn't that good.

    Striker i'd be a bit more worried than that even though you play one up. Costa is the man. falcao i think i am deeply skeptical of and remy aint all that. YOu've made your bed there

    I do think replacing mikel would be a good plan as you allude to.

    It is a case of one out one in there..... not like at LFC where its 7/8 dead wood and out of contracts etc and all change. My view is LFC now need to be one out one in as the squad is more than big enough.
     
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    It's short sightedness. Instead of buying 8 players who might work... Sign 3 or maybe 4 who will fit.

    Instead of trying to transform the team in one season, buying quality long term buys do it over 3 seasons.

    You never get anywhere if you just spin your wheels. We need a team with torque not pure RPMs. Our problem is trying to do too much too soon.

    Baby steps.
     
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    Fair enough, all decent points <ok>

    My concern with your strikers is that both Costa and Remy have been injury prone, and I don't know if you really want to be reliant on Falcao in his current state. But you've got plenty of goals throughout the team, so maybe it's not such a worry as any short-term lack of striker can be collectively covered.
     
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    Zouma and Stones as the future?
     
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  17. Bodinki

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    Well it remains to be seen whether Falcao can get his form back, but I think we will suit him more than United did, we play more like Atletico, where he had his biggest success.
    Costa is great, he just has dodgy hamstrings, so hopefully he can keep himself fit.
    Remy I rate a lot.
    Every time he has played for us he has put in a performance. He had 9 goals I think in 26 appearances in his first season with us, but when you consider that most of those appearances were 10-20 minutes as a sub, that pretty good. He has had some good game time in pre season and looks very sharp.

    I am not overly worried about that position to be honest.
    Especially if Falcao does well, I think we will be fine up top. Just hope Costa's legs get sorted out.

    Agree with you 100% about our CB's though
     
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  18. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I dunno... that depends on their performances at chelsea.

    like us where we are stuck with our 4 if someone isn't performing they move them on.

    I would expect now LFC having enough players that two things will occur:

    1. players don't perform and rodgers moves them

    2. the level of success is not high enough to keep a guy who's second choice at the club.
     
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  19. Bodinki

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    I think thats the plan aye.
     
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  20. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    like a torres?

    I think falcao is just not hungry enough.

    is costa not after pulling out of last game feeling hamstring?
     
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