Just like Nani then, the very same Nani you lauded as some sort of top player when he patently wasn't! This is where your argument against Young fails as you've got previous for backing a player who just was not doing the business in Nani. I personally think Young is well worthy of being offered a new contract. He earned it, he was written off by the vast majority of fans and showed versatility and willingness to adapt into van Gaal's team. Two things Di Maria didn't show for a start. We're building a squad, why get rid of someone with those attributes, in addition to his clear attacking threat which you seem blind to for some reason? If he goes he'll need replacing, what's the point of that? There's a whole lot more to the game than stats and being foreign and expensive. Players that work hard are equally as worthwhile in a winning squad. Valencia also has those attributes, he's another one you scorn for some reason.
But thats the thing, Nani could cross and he could pass. He also had a knack for scoring great goals. He also barely played for us the past 3 years. A combination of injuries and poor form ended with him being loaned out. Nani has, unlike Young, contributed significantly to a title winning squad (more than once) and has that unpredictability about him that sets the best wingers apart from the rest. Young, like Valencia are predictable. You know what they are going to do and they always do it. Nothing wrong with that but for a club aspiring to be the very best, without a Fergie to make it all work, we need a bit better than Young or Valencia. I wouldnt be against him being a squad player but I think hes better than that. he would start every game for a mid sized club like Everton or Liverpool. For £120k a week, he shouldnt be warming our bench.
Perhaps but nowadays you have to pay players big bucks to be part of a squad, we play too many games to have a highly paid first 15 players and the rest on peanuts. Is that what he's asking, I've not seen this figure? In any case, it's like I said before, if he leaves someone else has to come in and that person can't be crap so will be on big money so for me Young might as well stay and be part of an evolving squad. He's not alone in being not quite of the required quality. I honestly don't see how Fellaini can ever get in the side again but I'd still keep him on as we need a well stocked squad with options.
Youngs already on £120k (according to the press). I would imagine he would want that to increase though perhaps he would be willing to take a cut (in which case, go for it). Both Young and Fellaini would be star players in all but 3 or 4 PL squads. I suppose you ahve to ask, do they really want to sit on their arses?
This is just what some people fail to understand. A team is made up of a package, everyone doing their job. U can't have 10 players like mata on a team, u are not going to win anything with that. U need people that are hardworker that would run for the team, that is what young is all about. He doesn't have the flair of mata or di Maria, but can u have 11 matas on the pitch and think y can win? The answer is NO. It is not all about stats or assists. Young did well last season, his threat going forward (which di Maria failed to do) forced opponents to fall back which gave the space for other players to score or make assists. This is the same with park ji sung during Ferguson era. Park hardly scores or makes assists, but he was a very important player for the team because he never stops running, but some fans would still prefer a kagawa because he has flair though lazy. In young we have a player that would be happy to sit on the bench and wait for an opportunity to prove himself. We really need him, plus he is English (one of the fee English players we actually have after selling welbeck and cleverley). Funny enough we didn't buy any English players this transfer window, the only English players in the first team are now Rooney, Carrick and Jones. We use to have up to 6 English first teamers.
Fellaini.... a star player? He isnt even a star player in the Belgium squad ffs. Yeh bcos every team in the prem covets a lumbering oath who's only claim to fame is giving away countless free kicks and having the hair of a circus clown. Feel free to prove your point though UIR, how many teams in the prem have a Fellaini type player? And more importantly name players that do what Fellaini does and he's better than them at it? Bottom line is if he was playing for Liverpool we'd all be laughing our tits off at them.
Tell u the truth, I hated seeing fellaini in the first team last season when there are better players to fill his role. Van gaal played him as a no 10 but he is the worst no10 in the premier league. I mean he can't pass the ball to save his life. His presence in the team reverted our team to playing long balls and crosses so he can get to the end of it, u ask me I'll say its ugly football. But trust van gaal, he kept playing him out of desperation to scrap victories and make top 4. I know he won't see first team next season. Little wonder we became toothless when teams got clever and neutralized fellaini. Fellaini is really not united quality. Play him in cm and he will lose the ball and commit stup1d fouls, he just can't pass. Play him upfront he might be a little effective due to his physique, but he still can't pass the ball, there are a hundred more creative players even in the premier league alone.
Exactly. Everything you've said is spot on. And he really cant pass. Even on the odd occasion he actually won a tackle, he didnt have ability to pick a pass. In the end he resorted to 2 yard taps to someone next to him to then play the ball. And in open play when we were attacking, when he received the ball EVERY PASS went back. And you're comparing THAT to Young??? Now dont get me wrong "needs must" as they say, and LVG had to what he had to do. Any idea that there is an irrational hatred of Fellaini on my part or the vast majority of reds is complete bollox. I will credit Fellaini where credit is due - in certain games he performed and in those games I complimented him on it. But to say he's anything more than a horse is being generous quite frankly.
Couldn't agree more. I give him credit as he had a a few good games, but he is far from a star player and teams aspiring for trophys at the highest level wouldn't want fellaini in their first team. I think he himself is confused about which is his best position.
A good team like someone said earlier needs a mixture of flair players, and grafters (water carriers as Cantona would call them). United have been lucky in the past in having not only both types in the team but also both in the same PLAYER! The likes of Giggs and Beckham were gifted but they were also grafters. The trick which was perfected by Fergie is getting the right balance. As to Fellaini I had my doubts when Moyes brought him in. But like Young he can do a job when the need arises. He was instrumental in our win against City at OT. Their poor RB couldn't cope with him and young running rings round him.
I agree but you dont just have a grafter for grafter's sake. They dont need to have flair at all but a grafter must have some redeeming quality. At the absolute bare minimum they can actually play. They may also have some degree of football intelligence. Fellaini has neither. Nobody ever picks out specific tackles, passes or passages of play from Fellaini....because they cant. Instead we hear woolly nonsense like "he breaks up play" or "has physical presence". Young on the other hand, is also a grafter, not a flair player, but he can actually play and has improved massively in his role as a winger. He's a player who's completely changed my opinion of him. Respect to that and I hope he gets a new contract.
You've never seen Belgium then. He most certainly is a star man for his country. He was also a star man for his previous team and the team before that held him im high regard. But, of course, you dont like him so its irrelevant. Bottom line is, when he was playing for Everton, nobody was laughing. I reckon of I could be arsed and trawled back, theres a very high probability I will find a post of yours and many others questioning why we dont have a player like Fellaini (everton match day threads of bygone days when he bullied us over and over). Oh, few teams have a Fellaini type. Thats the whole point. Better he be on your side than against you. Is he world class? No. Has anyone ever claimed otherwise? No.
This and your previous post contradict each other. Like Treble you fail to see the irony in defending Young and claiming he deserves a new contract (based on one good year in 4. And no, not last year, his first season. Go watch and tell me how good he was last season...) while dismissing Fellianis bigger contribution. For me it simple, they are not good enough and will only ever be filler at United. Both would be top players at most other clubs but of they want to spend their time on our bench and remain here, so be it. Im indifferent but I am not pretending one is great while the other is **** simply because I dont like him. Both are decent, we just need better.
True enough but around europe, todays very best clubs dont have water carriers as such. If they do, they tend to be what others consider top class players. Look at Barcelona and Bayern, Real and Juve. No Youngs or Fellainis there, no O'sheas or Fletchers. There is still a place for them but opportunities should be few and far between. If we really want to compete at the very top table. I would prefer the youngsters are used as squad filler over Young and Fellaini.
Improved? Go and watch clips of young in 11/12 season. If you can tell me hes improved since then, I will be amazed and you will be a liar Passages from Fellaini? Not to hard as we spent much of last season utilising Fellainis attributes. That little triangle of Fellaini, Young and LB which paid dividends so often, the long looping cross to the back post for Fellaini to knock back across or to nod in. However he was being used, the opposition had nightmares trying to deal with him. Just because it wasnt pretty football and was quitr direct, doesnt mean he had few uses. Any manager worth his salt would use Fellaini as he was used last season. Moyes did it for 5 years at Everton but couldn't figure it out at United. Van Gaal went against his whole ideology and used Fellaini correctly.
Desperate? Nothing desperate about being right. Desperate would be letting your strange hatred of a player cloud your judgement.
Hatred? So you must hate Young then. If you actually read my posts that you're quoting you might learn it is far from hatred. It's more a case of headshaking and facepalms - for him and those who think he's any good
So...let me be clear on this. Specific examples of Fellaini's direct contribution amount to how he played with Young - a player you've berated for the last 5 pages of this thread, and LB you cant name. Oh...and he headed a ball at the back post once. I wish all grafters could do that. I'm sold
I imagine you shaking your fist when he scores or contributes to the team. "Its Fellaini at the back post... Goal for United!" Treble "pfft, well that doesnt count, Fellaini the donkey doesnt score, contribute or have any uses. Hes just an oaf, still nil nil as far as I am concerned and we are playing with ten men" Am I somewhere in the ballpark (I am, ive simply parodied previous posts). And no, I dont hate Young. I gave him plenty of credit and I am happy he improved and made himself useful. I just dont see how him being decent erases years of being the worst player in the squad or how 1 relatively good season should equal a new contract. As far as I am concerned, both can go but if they stay, then fine, they will play very few games.
