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Scholes - The greatest?

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by mthierry, Jul 13, 2011.

  1. wakka2

    wakka2 New Member

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    also goalscoring makes interesting reading considering scholes has always been an attacking midfeilder and gerrard has spent 50% of his playing career as a holding/defensive midfielder or out wide.

    goal scoring(goal per game):

    Club level:
    scholes 0.221 (150 in 676)
    gerrard 0.252 (140 in 556)

    international:
    scholes 0.212 (14 in 66)
    gerrrard 0.213 (19 in 89)

    so gerrard scores more goals in a team with less quality. interesting
     
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  2. wakka2

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    might aswell shove this one in aswell
    european goalscoring

    scholes 0.200 (26/130)
    Gerrard 0.328 (38/116)

    so gerrard outscores your golden boy at dmoestic level, european level and international level. whilst not even being a full time attacking player
     
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  3. Tottenham Bale Station

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    And how many of these Gerrard goals were penalties and how many penalties did Scholes take in his career?
     
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  4. Tottenham Bale Station

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    I might be wrong but weren't his best goalscoring seasons when he was playing just off Torres
     
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    yawn......zzzz zzzz zzzz
     
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  6. wakka2

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    I might be wrong but weren't his best goalscoring seasons when he was playing just off Torres

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    his best season was 2005-09 scoring 20+ in 3 of those 4 years. torres didnt sign until 07-08 season
     
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    might aswell shove this one in aswell
    european goalscoring

    scholes 0.200 (26/130)
    Gerrard 0.328 (38/116)

    so gerrard outscores your golden boy at dmoestic level, european level and international level. whilst not even being a full time attacking player
    I might be wrong but weren't his best goalscoring seasons when he was playing just off Torres
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    sorry i think i missed your point. what im getting at is gerrard goal ratio should be lower because he has only been an attacking player half his career. pre 2005 he rarely ventured forward - which in turn treated us to some brillaint long range goals but his ratio was low back then.

    since 2005-06 and became an attacking player he has played 273 games and scored 99 goals giving him a ratio of 0.36 compared to a career 0.25

    as an attacking player gerrard scores more than 1 goal every 3 games whereas scholes is less than 1 every 4
     
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  8. Tottenham Bale Station

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    Yeah I can agree with that. Since 2005-6 those have been some impressive stats for Gerrard. I have no stats to back it up but in Scholes' defence, 1 in 4 is also throughout his career. Long before 2005-06 he became almost a deep lying playmaker who stopped having his usual long range cannon shots or making those late runs into the box. Almost half his career I would say
     
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  9. MrWright!

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    But scholes has had over 100 more games than gerrard, compare gerrard after 100 games to scholes now and then see
     
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  10. wakka2

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    But scholes has had over 100 more games than gerrard, compare gerrard after 100 games to scholes now and then see
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    pretty sure gerrard will score 10 goals in 120 games, he will surpase scholes goals tally, already has his european and international
     
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  11. Tottenham Bale Station

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    He most likely will but judging midfielders on goalscorring comes to the conclusion that Lampard is better than Gerrard, Scholes, Xavi, Iniesta and even Zidane. Even though all those players are better than Lampard in most people's opinion.

    For the record I think the order should be:

    Zidane
    Xavi
    Scholes
    Gerrard
    Iniesta
    Lampard
     
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  12. wakka2

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    He most likely will but judging midfielders on goalscorring comes to the conclusion that Lampard is better than Gerrard, Scholes, Xavi, Iniesta and even Zidane. Even though all those players are better than Lampard in most people's opinion.

    For the record I think the order should be:

    Zidane
    Xavi
    Scholes
    Gerrard
    Iniesta
    Lampard
    ............

    order of what?
    best goalscorer? surely that gets judged on goals per game ratio
    creator?
    passing?
    etc the list goes on,

    i see scholes as an attacking midfeilder- someone who scores goals, he isnt known for his defensive qualities or his great crosses so to judge a player like scholes against others you have to compare goal tallies.

    for players like roy keane and mascherano you can't do this despite both being good players

    complete players like gerrard who can and do play more than 1 position can only be compared against players simliar or during periods when they have stuck to one position.

    my posts arent trying to belittle scholes or anything in fact i think he is one of the best attacking midfielders in the prem lge history but i would choose a player who can drag a team almost single handed week in week out whilst being able to play in just about any position on the pitch except GK, and still manage to score just as many goals plus more. and doing all this in a team which by 99% of football fans views has a been a lot weaker than the team scholes plays in
     
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  13. Tottenham Bale Station

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    I agree with mostly everything you say apart from "i see scholes as an attacking midfeilder- someone who scores goals". Maybe at the start of his career (but even then he contributed a lot more than goals) but with time he changed his game to a similar role Xavi plays for Spain and Barcelona. Dictating the game between the two penalty areas. Always picking the ball up and starting the attacks at the best possible time. Making sure the team keeps the ball. Although he's not as versatile as Gerrard he did adapt and change to a different role during his career so he wasn't just about goals.

    That's why it's a bit harsh to just judge Scholes just on his goals as you wouldn't judge Xavi on just his goals otherwise he'd be useless. At the end of the day it's subjective but I can see why your looking at his goalscoring record if it's your opinion that he is a midfielder who scored goals.
     
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  14. MrWright!

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    WHOSE BETTER
    GERRARD OR LAMPARD!!!!!!!!!

    it's 606 all over again
     
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  15. Highland Gunner

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    Think this one went off topic then came back on again and then went into top trumps debate.

    For the record i think paul scholes is one of the best premiership players i have ever witnessed, the man has the tenacity of a small yorkie on heat. When he was on the pitch didnt matter whether it was for 20 minutes or 90 he gave his all never stopped running or trying and you cant help but respect that, he played for his club (something that is sadly rare these days). And he seemed to embody the nature of the repectable footballer, was married was never seen on a tabloit or gossip mongering story, all round good guy, came in did his job to the best of his ability and went home!

    However his tackling was like watching a slow motion train wreck occuring , nobodys perfect!
     
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  16. KingPepeReina.

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    Scholes had one massive flaw which prevented him from being an all-rounder and thats was his inability to tackle.For me the best midfielder of the prem era was Patrick Viera.
     
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  17. Bergkamp a Dutch master

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    This is Arsenal !! Please go away and discuss on your own boards- we don't give a toss about which is/was better.
     
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