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So The Queen's A Nazi Then?

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  1. Ciaran

    Ciaran Going for 55

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    It was all pen pushing and numbers from chaps like him.

    Cold as ice.
     
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  2. DevAdvocate

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    It really doesn't matter whose idea it was, they did it is all that matters.
     
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  3. Spook

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    One of the most chilling images I've ever seen is Himmler looking a Jewish prisoner in the eyes from behind a fence at Auschwitz.

    The reason he was so good at his job as commander of the SS is because he showed no remorse.
     
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  4. King Shergar

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    That was the point I was making, none of the people supporting his party could have known he would go to the lentghs he did by killing them. But you used Mien Kamp to prove that everyone knew that's what he would do, and now your back tracking :biggrin:
     
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  5. ERINBLACK

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    Hitler had the right idea.

    Just struggled to get the message across.
     
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  7. Ponders Revisited

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    In 1933 the Nazis gained almost 43% of the votes; the Social Democrats came second with 18%.

    Mein Kampf is anti-Semitic in parts but does not advocate an annihilation of Europe's Jewry.

    18,000 copies of Mein Kampf were sold during 1933, yet over 17 million people voted for Hitler in that year's election.

    Franz Rademacher devised the Madagascar Plan.

    The Holocaust began with Kristallnacht, which was the brainchild of both Goebbels and Heydrich.
     
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  8. Ciaran

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    Thought it was Himmler, thought I read in in a Simon Wiesenthal piece.

    He is known for lying right enough although I could be wrong, again.
     
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    Himmler was big on cherry-picking ideas, but especially the ones that would leave Hitler hot under the collar.

    The Madagascar Plan was actually first mooted during the 1870s, by Paul de Lagarde; Rademacher took the idea forward in the knowledge that Hitler was a keen follower of Lagarde's writings.
     
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  10. Ciaran

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    I did say advocate and not devise the plan, do I win a prize <laugh>

    Ta, Ponders. Never heard of Paul De Lagarde, will have a look.
     
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    Ponders Revisited Well-Known Member

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    He's an interesting fella is Lagarde. Probably the godfather of anti-Semitism.

    Your prize is a delightful picture of a Komodo Dragon. Enjoy.

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  12. DevAdvocate

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    I said his view of Jews was well known, Anti Semitism was rife in Germany and had been for decades before Hitler came to power, that's why most people in Germany supported him,.

    Do you understand?
     
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  13. King Shergar

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    There is a big difference between voting for someone who is anti Semitic and voting for someone who's intentions where to execute all of them.

    So I bring you back to my original point, I don't think Germany would have voted for the Nazis if they knew they'd go to the lentghs they did:biggrin:
     
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  14. DevAdvocate

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    So are you saying that Germans who voted for the Nazi party were not Anti Semitic?
     
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  15. Ponders Revisited

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    You could be right, Shergar; however, if a UK government were to moot the idea of a mass execution of first/second generation immigrants, you'd be surprised by how many people would actually accept or even support the idea. And we're not just talking far-right extremists: moderates and liberals have stood by and watched genocides since the dawn of time.

    I'm not advocating the idea, mind.
     
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    It's fair to say countless thousands - even millions - felt compelled to vote for the Nazis. Self-preservation and all that, eh?

    Aside from that, though, Hitler offered a vision that appealed to the masses: economic revival, creation of jobs, and a newfound pride in a long beleaguered nation.

    Hitler was a master at creating optimism.
     
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    Which is what I said at the outset, but Shergar here seems to think I said Hitler was soliciting the usage of Gas Chambers in his manifesto.
     
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  18. King Shergar

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    You are probably anti Rangers, but I'm not sure you'd be happy for all their fans to be gassed. I also think you are abit of a tool, but I don't wish any harm on you.

    Do you see the difference between disliking someone, and wanting them executed in a gas chamber? :biggrin:
     
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  19. The Raging Oxter

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    You gonnae stand for that Dev?
     
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    Mein Kampf offered very little to the people of Germany; meagre sales compared to vote-share (of the same year, 1933) highlights the fact that Hitler was a far more impressive orator than writer. During 1933, anti-Semitism is not at the top of the German people's agenda, but Hitler knew he could introduce the wholesale concept once the nation was riding the crest of the nationalistic wave. It was an exorable outcome, yet many Germans were too caught up in euphoria to notice.
     
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