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Firmino and Milner are good signings, as Benteke could be if Brendan knows how to use them.

 

Not sure what point you are trying to make.
Liverpool knew Sterling was a goner for sure at least a month ago.
Whether they came slightly before or slightly after Sterling makes no difference, every signing you have made this summer has been without Sterling in the picture for next seasons squad.

Don't really think the actual amounts of money are relevant either. Since you spent more than you got for Suarez last summer, which players do you count as being part of the "Suarez money" and does it really matter. We are talking about the end result of the final squad for the season.

 

so we won't know until October/November if this years signings are any good?

 

But Costa provided a focul point to the attack that allowed the others to play and score.

Without him, I think Chelsea become much less dangerous as shown 2 seasons ago. Without a decent CF it was pretty much identical team that finished 3rd and couldn't see off the weaker teams who sat back and played for a draw.

Fabregas & Costa won the league for them last year, Costa scored the goals and Fabregas provided many of them.

 

Liverpool need to find someone like Icardi or Griezmann.
Maybe not them exactly, but players like that.
Good goal scorers who are not extremely high profile and would be around the £35m price range

 

I think the money they have spent has been dictated by the sales of Suarez and Sterling. As you say, they knew Sterling was going this year and last year Suarez admitted he thought the bite at the World Cup had ruined his transfer to Barca (so that was already known). They probably had £30+ mil to spend and whatever they expected from sales.

 

Partly true, Matic went a long way to winning the league for them last season. Their attack was good but not the best, the midfield and defence were exceptional.

 

He signed the season before.

 

Yes, because that's exactly what I said.

You've gone so far off the original argument I made its unbelievable.

It was originally argued by Carl that we were making a mistake by signing a lot of 'value' players to replace Sterling. I made the point that we aren't doing that because from the money we've received, most will go on Benteke and whatever is remaining (and probably a little more) will go toward a winger. How can you describe that as us signing lots of value players with the Sterling money?

And then the other point was that we didn't do it with Torres, either. He was replaced by 2 big money signings in Carroll & Suarez.

I accepted that we had done it with Suarez, and signed a few £10-20m players with the money but criticising us for something that happened once isn't really fair and is quite knee jerk.

I really don't know what you're arguing against but the points you raise certainly aren't related to my argument.

 

So you would have been happy without another striker ?

 

And even then its hard to make a definitive judgement on a player after just a few months of play.

 

I agree with that, second season is the time to judge. I like Lallana and Can could prove to be very good. Lovren is not half as bad as you all make out either

 

No, I've been saying we need a striker for quite a long time.

But I don't think we'd have gone for Benteke @ £32.5m without the Sterling money, we would've gone for someone cheaper.

 

But you didn't get a striker before because you knew you had the Sterling money coming, which is the point being made.

 

Agree on Lovren.

A lot of them have time on their side to be a success at Liverpool, like Markovic, Moreno, Ilori etc.

The only players that don't really have that time to prove themselves is players like Lambert who is a lot older.

 

Ilori is class, Markovic is with the wrong manager and Moreno will never be a full back. Lambert is what he is and could do a job for lots of teams (even at his age).

 

My point is a simple one. When you sell a player for £50m you HAVE to replace him with another player worth £50m or more. Ok this year is not as bad as last or the summer before. When we bought several (2 or more) medium priced players (15m-20m).

The lesson provided by Suarez (and Gerrard and Torres ) is that a star player galvanises the whole team. I know some fans here still attribute the good season we had mostly to Rodgers but even without retrospection I and many fans could have affirmed that the whole catalyst was Suarez and his talent and dynamism and lifted the players around him and not Rodgers. Without Suarez we could see Rodgers true talent.

So why don't we focus on using that money and spend it on an expensive world class player? This will give a signal of intent and also show we just don't sell our top players to very big clubs like some feeder club. We can buy them too,

 

I dont think so. Without CL football, look at what City had to do and what United have had to do. It was all about spending money and signing big players. You have had money too. I appreciate you're not going to buy as many top players as City did over such a short period but £250m over this and last summer was enough to make a statement of intent with 3 or 4 proper class players.

That is what any team that has been out of the top 4 for any period has to do. Liverpool have to do the same imo.

 

Spending money on transfers hasn't been a issue, but to get the top players to join when not in the CL you have to pay top dollar (£200k+ pw) to entice them, something we can't (or won't) do.

PS... obviously, we had CL to offer last summer but ****ed it up

 

You're right. You have to do it though Gerrez. I think £150k+ pw will be required but you can afford it.