The fans were the ones being positive at all those meetings, despite the ongoing feud. It was the club that asked for input then ignored or lied over the majority of subjects raised. I'm only replying to your request for dialogue with the club, if its going to work the club has to show it will positively respond to the items raised. They had the perfect opportunity last season and wasted my time and lots of others. If that's negative then it's the clubs fault and I for one won't be fooled again. Why do you think their attitude would be any different now?
Don't want the kids corrupted by the hooligans in the North stand, better to make it financially better for them to go with the boo'ers in the South.
Feel free to post any positive news you have about the club at the moment, I'm having difficulty coming up with much. Obviously the FA decision was positive, but we've had no response to that yet, an acceptance of that decision would obviously get a very positive response.
I didn't request dialogue. My point was more that the replies on here are predictable, in that they'll moan about anything associated with the club. That's fine if people just want to whine, I'd say coming up with positive alternatives would convey the same sentiment but with a better message. Of course ity could well be ignored, but whine after whine is certain to be.
I'm free to post that with or without your permission, and the fact you can find nothing positive to say is self evident, and more than a tad tedious. I didn't suggest posting a positive about the club as such, it was more if people are going to say how crap something is, it's only fair they point out how that issue could be better done.
Have Burnley and QPR reduced theirs? No one wants high ticket prices. But there has to be an acknowledgement that we cant buy players without a higher ticket price as its more of our budget in the Championship. There doesnt, as dutch alludes, to be any understanding of the problems relegation brings. Its the club should have done this or that.
You said that you wanted the club to listen to fans. We either have dialogue or we write them a letter. My point is that the club did listen to fans, the fans representing a good cross section that they asked to meet with them, then completely ignored almost everything that was talked about. Why do you think they are any different now?
I wasn't suggesting that you needed my permission for anything, you are moaning at others for being negative, I was simply asking what you thought was positive about the club at the moment. As for pointing out how things could have been better done, I don't believe the pass prices/matchday prices will have any bearing on our transfer activity and lower prices could in fact have increased overall ticket revenues. £50 off a pass would cost less than one players wage and sell a few thousand more tickets per game and you could easily make several times that revenue back anyway. I'd also say there was absolutely no reason to have three categories for games, Cat A for those clubs with big followings where ticket demand will be high(there's only four or five of them) and Cat B for everything else would have been far better. There was an opportunity to discuss these things at the FWG meetings, but the club would rather decide themselves and present them as a fait accompli, which is a shame, as it leaves no possibility of improving these issues, hence the frustration.
I would have thought the multi million pound business that is Hull City, run by a real clever business man ( read my CV ) would employ marketing and communication experts on a salary of xxxxx thousands a year rather than getting their business plan from a football forum.
I didn't say I wanted the club to listen to fans. I don't think they're different now, I also don't think they ignored everything, and I don't think it was that good a cross section. There were people talking outside the groups that did get listened to. The point was more, if posters are simply going to moan about every issue from the club, that's certain to get nowhere and be ignored and make this a dull, dull place. Instead of just whining, perhaps it helps a longer term argument if people put viable ways it could have been done better.
Having loooked at some of the comments and attitudes, I can understand to an extent why the club chooses not to get too involved with some fans at the minute. If people are just whinging, surely, putting a better option now and again isn't too much to ask?
Of course prices will effect transfer activity. So you're wiling to lose a player from the squad to reduce passes? How would you make several times that revenue back. Fans here turn up at the last minute.
I didn't say I'd sacrifice a player, I suggested that with better pricing we could afford a couple more of them. If we have games next season where 10,000 seats are empty, that's going to cost us a damn sight more than knocking £50 off a pass and filling half of them. If knocking £50k off a pass(along with the matchday price reductions that would in turn allow) increases the gate by another 3,000, we end up at least £1m better off.
