Excellent. As it seems we've missed out on the opportunity to criticise the Allams for the interview, it seems a good time to change the negative, defensive tone of posts to some constructive discussion on how to deal with the next stage of thing without it just degenerating to personal abuse. It's quite liable to be a continuation of how things have been for quite some time, with the erosion of the proper club name. I reckon a good, open discussion could generate some positive ways of dealing with things.
Does anyone seriously believe the saga will be over tomorrow? Most likely the FA will vote against the change. Does anyone really believe that the social media accounts with drop the Tigers any time soon? The 1904 badge will continue on the new kit. The protesters will still call for Allams head. Allam will still have the club up for sale but not really.
We need the FA decision and the reaction to that decision before we know exactly where we stand. It's likely it will be rejected and equally likely that the decision will be largely ignored by the Allams, but we really need to know before we act. There are some things already lined up, but not being made public yet, as it's likely that the club would act to stop them if they were aware of them. In wider terms, we've put forward a motion at the upcoming SD conference, with the aim of bringing together all trusts, SD and the FSF to lobby the FA to amend it's rules to offer far better protection for club's heritage, inc names, kits, badges etc Any ideas of ways to act against the rebranding would still be gratefully received though, things are far from being set in stone.
We can discuss all we want on here, with all the positivity you want but at the end of the day the Allams rule the roost. Until they have kept their word and sold up nothing will change. I know that change could be for the better or even worse, that will depend on the new owner.
It's not just a case of discussing I would expect those discussions to lead to actions against the very issues you highlight.
I would have expected the trust to have been using that time to encourage discusson on here and using it as a recruiting tool. That committee can't surely believe they know better than the rest of the fans. As it stands, it's simple enough for any opposition to point to your request being the views of just a few dozen people at most that can't demonstrate a mandate from the bulk of supporters or show where discussions have taken place. The forum on the trust website site is dead. I know thehnwon't be seen that way, but those views are meant as positives, hopefully to progress things.
The FWG was a chance to discuss, many positive ideas were put forward, how many implemented? They couldn't even get mirrors in the ladies toilets despite saying it would be done many times over quite a long period of time. In my opinion all the bridges have been burnt and i can't see any rebuilding happening whilst the Allams are in control.
The forum that came with our website was hopeless, it's never been used, in fact it was locked not long after we launched the site, as we didn't want people registering on a useless site. There'll be a new forum on there shortly, but we need something we can bolt onto the existing site and there aren't that many options and the options we've been offered so far aren't really good enough. The trust are constantly discussing things with fans on social media, our members are emailed weekly with updates of what we're up to and much of this information is also blogged so it can be read by non-members. The board of a trust is appointed by it's members to act on their behalf and in their best interest and that's what we aim to do. Our aims were made clear at the start, there can be no fundemtal change in those aims without consultation with the members. It's not case of a dozen fans thinking they know more than anyone else, it's a case of agreeing with our members what we should be doing, then getting on with doing it. As an example, ahead of filing the second FA name change submission we received hundreds of messages with suggestions, stories, examples of misuse of branding etc, we were then left to get on with compiling and submitting the submission. Obviously it needs to remain confidential until after the FA Council meeting, but our members seem happy to let us just get on with it, they know they'll get to see it later and believe there's a team in place that will do a decent job.
I'm not talking about mirrors in the bogs or rebuilding with the Allams, it's about discussing how best to protect the club and unite fans irrespective of the chairman. There's a fair amount we as fans can do.
This board is an ideal opportunity to discuss things, such s as those you say we're on social media sites. I see precious little evidence of that. Talking of 'members' is short sighted, surely a trust of that name should be reaching out to the 20, 000 City fans they don't represent?
If you know thats the case then explain. Put your ideas forward. It's bloody tiring reading you repeat the same buzz-words every day while saying absolutely nothing. Its like a crap job interview.
Initially, I used to post all our blogs on here, but I got a lot of **** from certain quarters about the amount of them, so I switched to just posting our press releases instead. When talking about the decisions the board make, I can't avoid talking about members, as it's members who determine what we do. Obviously we want to appeal to as many fans as possible and increase the membership so that more fans play a part in determining what we do, but that's a different issue. It strikes me that getting on with actually discussing something would be beneficial here, any good ideas on how to address the club avoiding using Hull City on everything?
That's a bit rich given that the trust have said nothing nor discussed nothing at all on here, preferring to hurl personal abuse, yet claim to be in full discsusion on social media. It's an odd concept given some of the threads started about the club. If the Trust are serious about listening to the views of fans, the onus is on you to demonstrate you'l listen to start with.
Perhaps if you asked on here rather than just posting what the trust say they and then getting upset when people have other opinions, we could be a lot further on. Yes, I have a few ideas on how the name issue could be tackled, but first, I prefer to see something that demonstrates the Trust are serious about listening.
Possibly, but I reckon that still puts me above someone limited to piss poor, unconstructive replies like that. You sit back and leave it to the Trust if that's your choice. I just think more people contributing could achieve more.
So is that what all your open ended posts about negativity and discussions over the past few days has been about? Your having a dig at the trust, why didn't you just come out and say it straight?
If I wanted to just have a dig at the trust, I would. There's a fair bit I think they could do better and become more representative. What I want is something that unites fans in actions against the name change. I find it bizarre people get defensive and abusive about what should be a positive direction. Anything not 100% pro trust seems to get a similar reaction to kicking a kitten. Surely if it' a Hull City Supporters Trust, we're all entitled to an opinion.
