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    Will check it out. Cheers <ok>

    Only issue with seeing how things really are is it can get depressing. No wonder most people just refuse to accept it <laugh>

    People still largely do not know that US miltinationals and European Royals and elites funded Hitler and Germany's rise and made fortunes out of the concentration camp slaves.
    Or that the US funded much of international communism during the cold war.

    Education is indoctrination and propaganda.

    Sure, the elites, they dont pay taxes. Yet we do.

    Sleeple sheeples go back to sleep <laugh>
    Just one source off the top of my head
    http://www.antonysutton.com/
    "In 1968, his Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development was published by The Hoover Institute at Stanford University. Sutton showed how the Soviet state's technological and manufacturing base, which was then engaged in supplying the North Vietnamese the armaments and supplies to kill and wound American soldiers, was built by US firms and mostly paid for by the US taxpayers. From their largest steel and iron plant, to automobile manufacturing equipment, to precision ball-bearings and computers, basically the majority of the Soviet's large industrial enterprises had been built with the United States help or technical assistance."
     
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    There's no doubt religion has been used for control but the first organised religions appear to be based on fertility and worshipping the Earth Goddess.

    As people sought answers to what controlled the seasonal cycles of nature -- the daily motion of the sun; the motion of the stars, the passing of the seasons, etc. What controlled their environment -- what or who caused floods, rains, dry spells, storms. What controls fertility -- of the tribe, its domesticated animals, and its crops. What system of morality was needed to best promote the stability of the tribe - religion evolved. People were searching for security rather than truth, certainly weren't looking to control.
     
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    I agree with this though I will say, gods of war were ditched, and yes a god of peace love and all the other ethically moral things the ruling class don't adhere to, that's the thing. It was pacifiying the people when the ruling class had no such limiting ethical morals. Control. Also religious enemies were created. The whole protestant and catholic thing for example was the same thing, an enemy to be fought. Always an enemy isn't there, think about it. Julius Caesar knew this then and the ruling class know this now.

    Language is used to control. As far back as Roman times, barbarian meant foreigner, it was changed to mean savage, animal violent primitive to create an enemy. This very tactic is used today in Israeli education to perform the exact same propaganda against Palestinians. Education is indoctrination, don't confuse education with learning, education is programming.

    This is why we have political correctness, it is a ruling class trick to stop the population (the public, media and academia) saying what they really mean. It is a system of self censorship. Higher education is morally and ethically bankrupt. Why else can academics who are supposedly intelligent people (they are) can still say invading Iraq was right. How can these people refuse to write the true histories..
    The legal system only applies to us not the ruling class
    The tax system only applies to us not the ruling class
    Political correctness only applies to us not the ruling class (Prince phillip can be as racist as he likes) but Suarez? <laugh> That's just an example, a ruling class being utterly racist and associated with nazis and it is cool but a footballer who gets in a strop is the devil, people just don't see wtf is going on.

    To even utter the fact that the british put Jews (sent to Palestine by the Nazis in 1940) into concentration camps, there from 1940 to 1945, for example, cannot be written about by the academics and published widely. The very academic system is indoctrination and control. It has become self censoring, you "know" there are things you cannot say even though morally and ethically you should.
    Academia is controlled by the ruling class as is religion. Who decides what goes into schoolbooks as well as religious books?<whistle>

    When you look at the world in this context, ISIS makes perfect sense. ISIS\ISIL have nothing to do with religion.

    Anyone who speaks against religious dogma, is a heretic, anyone who speaks against false history is a conspiracy theorist, this is the world we live in, heck anyone speaks out against global warming is a "denier".
    Why can't people recognise the patterns, they repeat over and over and over throughout history. Because they have been indoctrinated from birth through to adulthood, you and I included. Only the will to actually see the truth will reveal the truth.

    The BBC is Orwell's ministry of truth. I don't say that lightly
     
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    ''Education is indoctrination, don't confuse education with learning, education is programming.''
    There are huge differences between education and indoctrination. To start with education involves seeking facts and learning about what is the truth and what is not. Indoctrination aims to influence people to believe in facts, without being able to back up these newfound facts with anything but opinion. We're all indoctrinated into our parents belief system whether we realise it or not but as we get older, we can seek out education to develop our own belief system.

    Education can be directly supported by data that is derived from facts. Indoctrination tends to use language that encompasses everything, referring to ‘all’, or ‘every’, as though the insights are a statement of fact for each and every individual of whichever group you're referring to. For example 'all women love shopping' [just to be trivial in this heavy discussion]. You can’t support these statements of ‘all’ and ‘every’ without actual data. If you believe it, then it has grown from opinion to indoctrination.

    Education points out that there are different solutions, often to the same problem. Indoctrination poses the belief that there is only one solution to a problem. An example - In Nazi Germany, the solution to growing economic problems was to exterminate all minorities and Jewish citizens, as though this was the only possible solution. There was no room for any kind of secondary thought to the proposed solution. Indoctrination has an agenda; education is unbiased, but I'm not telling you anything you don't already know here am I?

    Lots of people abandon the Church they were brought up in, or are nominal members without practising. Lots of Catholics use birth control even though the Church's position is against it. People don't blindly follow the Church's 'rules' if seeking education on various aspects has led them to not agree or not want to participate or go along with a particular view. Indoctrination won't happen if you are actively seeking broader education and a full understanding. I've said before that your faith means nothing if you don't constantly question it.
     
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    Very interesting article. Not sure if it's a victory for free speech or condoning hate speech.

    Edit - We repealed our blasphemy law in 2008, didn't even notice <laugh>
     
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    When AIDS arrived in early 1980, homosexual got the blame: the way they went about it every one was scared.
    That stigma is still there, who knows if homosexuality is associated with aids?,
     
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    It spread first amongst the gay community first of all.
    Probably because one of the first humans to contract it was gay I guess.
    But it is commonly accepted (though not definitively proven I believe) that AIDS came about in one of two ways:

    1) Man Made. Made in a lab by humans, possibly as a disease to eradicate homosexuals
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    2) Mutated from a similar illness common amongst apes. Leading us to believe a human either ate, or ****ed an ape carrying the disease and it mutated and became a cross species illness.
     
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    Is that actually true though? How did gays spread a sexually transmitted disease to hetero people ? <laugh>
     
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    Because a bi sexual guy had sex with a gay guy I suppose, then slept with a woman.....
     
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    Nah I think it was spreading in both gay and hetero people mate. Sex, drug needles, blood transfusions and even infected blood pharma products.
     
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    It's also spread by syringe users (druggies) and other types of fluid transfer such as blood which is why all medics and first aiders now wear gloves at all times.
     
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    Got there before you <laugh>
     
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    :p
     
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    The AIDS gay thing was just anti gay propaganda imo
     
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    well yeah there is that too.
    A gay druggie may have infected a straight druggie via needles.
    Even if it started among gay and straights at the same time, the initial boom seemed to come from the gay community.
    Presumably because peni contact with blood is more common in anal sex than in vaginal sex, and as far as i am aware, you have a much higher chance of catching it from blood than you do from Semen.
     
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    Nope, I think it did spread much more rapidly among the gay community than any other, there could be various reasons for this but I would only be speculating.
     
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    Possibly, there are those that argue the disease was created to specifically wipe out the gay community.
     
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    I do think it was created as do many scientists. I assumed it was created to kill Africans. Poor places is where these things really do damage
     
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    In Cuba Castro rounded up infected people and put them in hospital sort of sanitoriums to prevent the spread.

    I know we might look down on that but Cuba was poor and given US sanctions, had a really limited ability to combat the spread.
    We might not like that but it definitely saved so many Cuban lives.

    I think he did the right thing tbh even if unpalatable by our standards but can we judge really?
    Also Cuba's health system would have collapsed in a few years had he not done that.
     
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