They all ****ing talk, and talk and talk. Then when they realise you aint listening the tone changes sharpish
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I appreciate what you're saying mate and you make some reasonable points but I find there's a great deal of intolerance with sweeping statements made by atheists against ppl of faith, and attacks on their beliefs. For example if in relation to homosexuality I said I question the "character and sanity" of anyone who sticks their penis up another man's arse you may very well say I was being an ignorant [email protected] yet such sweeping statements are made (on this thread alone) about ppl of faith - sweeping statements on 4 to 5 billion ppl that is. I honestly think ppl don't realise the idiocy of the generalisations they make towards religion and religious ppl...in the same way a homophobe comes out with stupid remarks that reflect their ignorance of gays and homosexuality. Here's an irony for you AFCFTW you may appreciate. Do you realise how much an atheist has in common with a religious fundamentalist when they argue with schools about not allowing their child to attend a religious assembly. Not just a nativity play, but hanuka, diwali, eid etc. Born out of some fear that their child may very well be brainwashed by what they see but failing to realise the reality of the modern world right now - that it's made up of a global community (billions) and local community (millions) that is a mix of faiths and we need to understand each other in order to bring us together, to educate our future generstions about what makes us all tick rather than perpetuate the ignorance that leads to those sweeping statements I mentioned above. And to build future generations that, despite what you say, will have to live side by side in a growing, diverse population including billions of ppl of faith. And by the way, attending religious assemblies to expose chn to other people's beliefs is no different to educating our children on homosexuality. After all, we don't expose them to that to turn them gay do we? It's to build understanding and tolerance. And schools do an amazing job of teaching children both. All I'm saying is if we really do believe in a live and let live society then lets stop attacking ppl for who they are or what they believe, whether it's their faith or their sexuality...or whatever else. Otherwise it's just shallow hypocrisy I'm afraid and I'd go as far as to say driven by some personal agenda.
No one has mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah-distruction because homosexual activities. This City actually existed.
@paragraph1 - there is a difference though between homosexuality (not a choice) and being religious (a personal choice). I don't think the two are substitutes for each other in this example. One is putting someone down for something they have no control over, the other is putting someone down for a choice they have made. So whilst I wouldn't wish to make someone feel persecuted based on there beliefs, it isn't the same as someone feeling persecuted based on there sexuality or race for example. @paragraph2 - I don't think religion should be taught in schools as fact. I disagree with schools being run from a religious standpoint as I think it's just a method of brainwashing kids to believe what religion wants them too. What I am a big advocate of though is teaching kids in school about different religions and cultures so they have a better understanding of the world and the different kinds of people it's filled with. So for example in primary school, having a lesson about Ramadan or Christmas etc during that time of year, isn't a big deal. It's about education rather than pushing religious beliefs onto someone. @paragraph3 - I agree we shouldn't be attacking people for what they are or what they believe in. But people should be able to question religion, question the evidence, the science behind it etc
You could say you are brainwashing a child to be atheistic - brainwashing them into following your beliefs on religion - it amounts to exactly the same thing. Do you know how many parents are falling all over themselves to get children into faith schools, which make up a large proportion in the top 100 list [or whatever]. I was a governor at an RC school and parents of all faiths and no faith, were clamouring to get in. An RC school is paid for by the RC Church and as such will teach RC principles but also teach about other religions as well but it's the overall education that's attracting parents to faith schools or they wouldn't be so popular and so full and yes I know non-denominational schools fit this category too. I've been on most of the religion related threads on here and I could say have been 'persecuted' but I won't because I have strong beliefs which are unshakeable so attempts at belittling with talks of ..... sky fairies, wizards, magicians, brainwashed, told what to do and how to live my life by an imaginary voice in my head .... doesn't work on me. At least one other person left here temporarily over it and Dave [RIP] and me had many a private conversations about it. If you truly believe in each to their own, leave out the insults and belittling language - not you personally btw.
I think the difference is in a religiously run school one set of beliefs are taught as being fact. Whilst in non-religious schools your taught about religions but not to follow a particular one. I went to a school that wasn't religious but we were never taught we shouldn't follow a religion. I think people should be educated about religion and able to make there own choice whether they believe or not when they are old enough to make an informed personal decision. Rather than having one set of beliefs forced on them, whether that be atheism, Christianity, Islam etc...
I can't account for Muslim schools and news items about the children being radicalised there but CofE and RC schools will teach Christianity almost as History lessons [Bible studies, dates, events, dissecting passages and trying to gain meaning] and will also hold denomination specific rites of passage Communion and Confirmation services. Any parents not wishing their children to join in can withdraw them. Some don't participate in the faith anyway so have to. Non denominational schools [my boys went to] also teach the 'facts' of Christianity - Jesus birth etc... [nativity in primary school] and the 'facts' of other religions. Not to mention that the largest part of pupils in non-denominational schools are themselves and belong to faith families. My eldest's two closest friends are Hindu and CofE. They got their religion at home and wider education at school. Treble is spot on in saying learning about something isn't trying to force you to be that thing.
Paragraph 1) I would disagree with that completely. We live in a society where we promote free choice. Provided that free choice is within the remit of the law what right does anyone have to put them down? Also, by saying someone doesnt have a choice in being homosexual arent you implying that somehow they have an affliction of some sorts forced upon them like being disabled. Isn't that in itself belittling them. At the end of the day whether it's choice or not, the point is it's a free society and as such we shouldnt be putting anyone down. Paragraph 2 & 3 agree with you there including the bit about faith schools (awful divisive practise) and being able to question religious dogma
Treble, please tell me you are not insinuating that male homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, because.....if you are....mate thats pretty ****ing horrific in this day and age if someone thinks that. Its not an affliction, its just who they are attracted to, same as I like women, most women like men, gays like same gender. You dont control who arouses you.
Apologies if thats not what you meant, but the bold part makes it seem like you are saying they have a choice.
Of course they have a choice. Having sex is a choice, irrespective of which side of the stamp you lick (or both!). You can choose to abstain and be celibate. Also, sexuality isn't black and white it's an entire spectrum. There's people who are seemingly heterosexual who find the thought of homosexual sex arousing, but they may never follow up on that thought, as they choose not to..........
