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Town would probably have killed me#****inguseless
Mafia certainly weren't going to kill you any time soon.
You found the PI for us and were about to reveal the meth head (Bodanki). We couldn't have won with you
#'honoraryMafiaghost
I'm not sure if I could have won even if Bodanki had not revealed his role, given the mafia had two kills left that I didn't know about.
I was playing a long game so wanted to get rid of one mafia that night and the final mafia the next night, and then still be seen as an innocent townie to try win on the last day so didn't want to ruffle any feathers and push too hard for lynching targets (hence kkeeping the vote on Lucaaas even though I suspected he was innocent and wanted Sebb lynched.
I was 99% sure Swarbs was mafia, then I suspected Sebb more than Neville as the #2 mafia. The idea was to stay in Swarbs' good books and look like I didn't suspect him, and then assassinate him.
I was pretty certain Neville did not suspect me too much for the SK, so was buddying up with him and was going to get Sebb lynched the next day and assassinate Neville. (I considered switching to Neville when he was tied but it would have killed my town cred as I had been supporting him all game, and if he was mafia I thought Swarbs would even up the vote anyway).
If there were no mafia kills I reckon I could have come very close to winning: Lynch Lucaaas, I kill Swarbs, Bod kills BobbyD.
4 players left; Tennisball, Neville, Bodanki and Sebb. Bodanki would have pushed for Neville, Neville would have pushed for either Sebb (to go along with his earlier suspicions on Lucaaas and Sebb) or revenge voted Bodanki & would have needed my support as he was in trouble, I don't think he would have tried to vote for me. I'm not sure who Sebb would have voted for but I suspect Neville, especially if Bodanki revealed his role the next day. I would have switched to Neville late on and killed Sebb (or if Sebb was up for lynch I would have killed Neville), and it would have been a coin toss for the win between Bodanki and myself.
To the guys on the dead thread, the reason I was jumping between Swarbs and Obi Wan was because I did not want to risk the coin toss for the win on the final day, I thought I was considered innocent enough by town & mafia that I could risk an extra day and win 100% if there were 3 players left. If I killed Obi Wan then we would have had 5 players. Lynch and a kill brings it to 3 players, and I felt I had a decent chance of surviving the lynch and killing to win the game. But ultimately I realised that I needed to kill the mafia asap as swarbs was having more of an effect and Sebb was posting more, so either him or Neville were mafia and were having more of an influence. I didn't kill Swarbs earlier as I figured if the mafia died too early I'd be the obvious lynch target due to the 67% thing on day 1, so had to keep mafia in there until the last two lynches. I had only figured out Swarbs was mafia the previuous day so I could not have acted much earlier anyway...
Ultimately though the mafia had those two kills banked, even if Bodanki did not reveal I don't think I would have won due to the kills. Here's what I think would have happened:
Lynch Lucaaas, mafia kill BobbyD & Sebb, I kill Swarbs.
Next day: 3 players left, Bodanki, myself and Neville. I knew Bod was MH so I would side with him and paint Neville as mafia, he was suspicious of him anyway. Neville would pin me as SK, I would probably have tried to pin Neville as SK that was somehow recruited by Mafia and that's why he couldn't join Cartel, he magically retained his powers I guess. I can't see that working, ultimately it would have been a coin toss, perhaps even a three way coin toss with lots of last minute changes! Unless someone like Bod decided that he didn't want mafia winning and would vote Neville with me so that SK could win but ultimately I was the biggest risk as I could kill, although mafia had just killed twice so I would have tried that route. Smart move would have been for them to lynch me and then they'd go to a coin toss the next day for the win.
I was playing a long game so wanted to get rid of one mafia that night and the final mafia the next night, and then still be seen as an innocent townie to try win on the last day so didn't want to ruffle any feathers and push too hard for lynching targets (hence kkeeping the vote on Lucaaas even though I suspected he was innocent and wanted Sebb lynched.
I was 99% sure Swarbs was mafia, then I suspected Sebb more than Neville as the #2 mafia. The idea was to stay in Swarbs' good books and look like I didn't suspect him, and then assassinate him.
I was pretty certain Neville did not suspect me too much for the SK, so was buddying up with him and was going to get Sebb lynched the next day and assassinate Neville. (I considered switching to Neville when he was tied but it would have killed my town cred as I had been supporting him all game, and if he was mafia I thought Swarbs would even up the vote anyway).
If there were no mafia kills I reckon I could have come very close to winning: Lynch Lucaaas, I kill Swarbs, Bod kills BobbyD.
4 players left; Tennisball, Neville, Bodanki and Sebb. Bodanki would have pushed for Neville, Neville would have pushed for either Sebb (to go along with his earlier suspicions on Lucaaas and Sebb) or revenge voted Bodanki & would have needed my support as he was in trouble, I don't think he would have tried to vote for me. I'm not sure who Sebb would have voted for but I suspect Neville, especially if Bodanki revealed his role the next day. I would have switched to Neville late on and killed Sebb (or if Sebb was up for lynch I would have killed Neville), and it would have been a coin toss for the win between Bodanki and myself.
To the guys on the dead thread, the reason I was jumping between Swarbs and Obi Wan was because I did not want to risk the coin toss for the win on the final day, I thought I was considered innocent enough by town & mafia that I could risk an extra day and win 100% if there were 3 players left. If I killed Obi Wan then we would have had 5 players. Lynch and a kill brings it to 3 players, and I felt I had a decent chance of surviving the lynch and killing to win the game. But ultimately I realised that I needed to kill the mafia asap as swarbs was having more of an effect and Sebb was posting more, so either him or Neville were mafia and were having more of an influence. I didn't kill Swarbs earlier as I figured if the mafia died too early I'd be the obvious lynch target due to the 67% thing on day 1, so had to keep mafia in there until the last two lynches. I had only figured out Swarbs was mafia the previuous day so I could not have acted much earlier anyway...
Ultimately though the mafia had those two kills banked, even if Bodanki did not reveal I don't think I would have won due to the kills. Here's what I think would have happened:
Lynch Lucaaas, mafia kill BobbyD & Sebb, I kill Swarbs.
Next day: 3 players left, Bodanki, myself and Neville. I knew Bod was MH so I would side with him and paint Neville as mafia, he was suspicious of him anyway. Neville would pin me as SK, I would probably have tried to pin Neville as SK that was somehow recruited by Mafia and that's why he couldn't join Cartel, he magically retained his powers I guess. I can't see that working, ultimately it would have been a coin toss, perhaps even a three way coin toss with lots of last minute changes! Unless someone like Bod decided that he didn't want mafia winning and would vote Neville with me so that SK could win
but ultimately I was the biggest risk as I could kill, although mafia had just killed twice so I would have tried that route. Smart move would have been for them to lynch me and then they'd go to a coin toss the next day for the win.
Bod, who would you have voted for the lynch if it was us two and Neville left? Lynch the SK & hope to win the cointoss or screw mafia over and let the SK win to spite them? Bearing in mind you may have thought mafia still had kills up their sleeve, so voting me off was not guarenteed to go to a coin toss...
if it were 1v1v1 then bod you've have to have said one is mafia on is SK.
in the end if it went down to that then the order of night needs to be considered
Who to lynch? well I am not sure if rules when swarbs would have dies that mafia would not have got another kill.
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if mafia die in lynch then SK kills overnight if he knows who is going to die at nightfall. If SK dies then mafia kills bod. If bod dies mafia acts first and kills SK
as SK and bod never knew mafia had another kill i'd suspect that when you all talked it out nev and bod had to kill tennis and go for coin flip.
Maybe afc can say if yet another kill was coming to mafia anyway
in the end if it went down to that then the order of night needs to be considered
Who to lynch? well I am not sure if rules when swarbs would have dies that mafia would not have got another kill.
eg.
if mafia die in lynch then SK kills overnight if he knows who is going to die at nightfall. If SK dies then mafia kills bod. If bod dies mafia acts first and kills SK
as SK and bod never knew mafia had another kill i'd suspect that when you all talked it out nev and bod had to kill tennis and go for coin flip.
Maybe afc can say if yet another kill was coming to mafia anyway
In one of the next games i hope i get a role with a quicktopic board, it would be great to discuss the game & try figure out what's going on...
I've been the stand in cop but detective mito had already been killed, avenging angel & SK. Even masons would be great as you've got no abilities really, just need to figure out who is scum & town roles!
I've been the stand in cop but detective mito had already been killed, avenging angel & SK. Even masons would be great as you've got no abilities really, just need to figure out who is scum & town roles!
well we will see in next game that swarbs does. there's only a minority of roles so..............
Yeah I doubt there will be many roles, should be a good game...
I was referring to the more standard type games. The zombie game should be good, they can get really powerful if the main zombie remains alive for the first few days!
Finally had a chance to read the mafia board. Never realised quite how much I had managed to get under Nev's skin.
"The thing is, after all of that effort I still wonder if Obi is sat there pissing himself laughing at me for going to all of that effort over **** stirring."
"But Sir, what about Obi's ebola. It would be funny even if he didn't deserve it but he does. He's a very bad man and shouldn't go unpunished. Besides - it might help him lose weight. Sir? Sir?"
"Sir, Sir, If Obi doesn't deserve a severe case of ebola for that comment I don't know what does!! He has basically told the town that if they like his post he will be granted extra powers to help them. I say remove his mask and spatter him with infected blood! Spatter him good! (Not that I am a tell-tale or anything)"
"I think Obi's posts are genuine."
My favourite line. "Besides - it might help him lose weight"
"The thing is, after all of that effort I still wonder if Obi is sat there pissing himself laughing at me for going to all of that effort over **** stirring."
"But Sir, what about Obi's ebola. It would be funny even if he didn't deserve it but he does. He's a very bad man and shouldn't go unpunished. Besides - it might help him lose weight. Sir? Sir?"
"Sir, Sir, If Obi doesn't deserve a severe case of ebola for that comment I don't know what does!! He has basically told the town that if they like his post he will be granted extra powers to help them. I say remove his mask and spatter him with infected blood! Spatter him good! (Not that I am a tell-tale or anything)"
"I think Obi's posts are genuine."
My favourite line. "Besides - it might help him lose weight"
Mafia were limited to four kills in total - Biscan, Gerrez, Bobby and Sebb.
We just looked OP at the end as we saved the final two right till the last night when they made a difference - had me or Neville been taken out earlier then we would have been fooked. We had plenty of debates around using the kills earlier, but I figured we would have to hope we survived long enough, then go for the win all at once when people were still concerned about the SK.
The rational lynch choice would have been Tennisball, as with Bod as meth head and Neville mafia if either of those two were lynched then TB would have killed the other and won. But Bod wouldn't be sure if mafia had more kills for the last night as well so would probably have gone Neville and TB would have won.
I'm thinking of having more teams for the next game - Mafia team, zombie team, army team (zombie hunters), masons and possibly another town team depending on how many sign up. If we have enough players then all teams will have the ability to recruit, so that should maximise the number of people able to get on a QT board for strategy.
Also gonna try to have a completely open game with minimal hidden roles. It will make the starting rules more complex, but hopefully keep it clear for everyone during the game.
Finally had a chance to read the mafia board. Never realised quite how much I had managed to get under Nev's skin.
He was flapping like mad at times. I think I had to tell him to stop falling for your baiting at least once every day!
Mafia were limited to four kills in total - Biscan, Gerrez, Bobby and Sebb.
We just looked OP at the end as we saved the final two right till the last night when they made a difference - had me or Neville been taken out earlier then we would have been fooked. We had plenty of debates around using the kills earlier, but I figured we would have to hope we survived long enough, then go for the win all at once when people were still concerned about the SK.
The rational lynch choice would have been Tennisball, as with Bod as meth head and Neville mafia if either of those two were lynched then TB would have killed the other and won. But Bod wouldn't be sure if mafia had more kills for the last night as well so would probably have gone Neville and TB would have won.
I'm thinking of having more teams for the next game - Mafia team, zombie team, army team (zombie hunters), masons and possibly another town team depending on how many sign up. If we have enough players then all teams will have the ability to recruit, so that should maximise the number of people able to get on a QT board for strategy.
Also gonna try to have a completely open game with minimal hidden roles. It will make the starting rules more complex, but hopefully keep it clear for everyone during the game.
He was flapping like mad at times. I think I had to tell him to stop falling for your baiting at least once every day!
Sounds good swarbs, deciding who to recruit is going to be key! I hope I get recruited, if I stay as no role townie I'll be bummed!
When are you likely to start? I'm in whenever it starts!
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Would the mass multi-team game see everyone get a role and there be no townies? I'm guessing there would still be some boring townie roles.
It started yesterday, you got lynched
Should have revealed my role to last an extra day or two
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