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Paulo Sousa

Discussion in 'Swansea City' started by Terror ball, Jun 18, 2015.

  1. ValleyGraduate12

    ValleyGraduate12 Aberdude's Puppet
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    You've been re writing your own history these past few weeks Dai :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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  2. swanseaandproud

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    I think Sousa had more knowledge about him than Both Martinez and Rodgers but that don't take away how well they done.....
     
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  3. ValleyGraduate12

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    But I thought BR was going to lead Liverpool to great things? ;)
     
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  4. Stumpy

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    Why I think he's been blanked, simple really Imo. He broadcast publicly his misgivings about the boards lack of investment in the squad and stated that the board 'didn't share his ambitions for success'. Basically, he blamed the board for HIS lack of success.

    What I remember:
    • Arguments with seniors players re his hands off training practices. Poor form
    • Players fitness left up to them and not staff. Poor form
    • Alienated Leon, situation affected him so badly that it motivated him to leave the club. Poor form
    • Criticised the club for lack of ambition. Poor form
    • Criticised the board for lack of investment. Poor form
    • Criticised the board for not buying a striker when he gave one of our best to the team that pipped us to the play-offs. Very Poor form
    • Only scored 40 goals all season, lowest in the whole division. Poor form
    • Stephen Dobbie, thrown away and loaned to Blackpool; where his goals helped secure THEM a play-off place while we suffered without him. Unbelievably Poor form
    • Missed out on play-offs by a single point to Blackpool, where Dobbie was scoring. Unforgivably Poor Form
    • Took his ambition, or ego, to a 'bigger club' at the first opportunity. Inevitable Form
    • Sacked by Leicester after three months.Poor Form
    It has to be said even with hindsight, that season, imo, we were good enough to make the play-offs and should have.

    I see Sousas' season not so much as a waste but as a missed opportunity. We had a far better squad than our play, our style, our negativity and our final position suggested. We should have made the play-offs. I don't believe Sousa got the best out of us and in fact I think he held us back and stalled our progress.

    Anyway, no harm done in the long run and its all water under the bridge now, onward and upward.
     
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  5. swanseaandproud

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    He has been the best manager they have had and achieved more than anyone else this decade but he is not good enough when it comes to spending Liverpool's money that is plain to see......What other manager would give us £15m for little joe...<laugh>
     
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  6. Jager

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    So stumpy all that is with hindsight, we or him are not psychic , I would guess he would have done things differently if he knew the outcome. We don't know everything that happened and why, you are saying 'poor form' for many things. But the difference is that it's a calculated 'poor form' by omitting the guy.

    If another film is ever made I hope that a true accounting of our history is done, I'm not saying any lies were made with jack to king, but using editing that shows just the positives is not the way to do it. I wonder what they would do with Laudrup? I mean he done something similar in loaning out Ki
     
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  7. bigkidderz

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    Sousa did a great job with what he had and I certainly have gratitude for his efforts while he was here, but I personally find it strange how people back Sousa over our board, considering the continual success that we are still achieving under the same board.

    I'm not trying to lay it all on Sousa, but there was clearly a mutual falling out between board and manager - only really one winner there. The manager is told how it's going to be, and if the manager doesn't like it he can leave. Notice that Sousa wasn't fired though - if the board really wanted him gone that bad they'd have sacked him at close season. Sousa found a move himself and left. I just see it as a normal job move in any business. Sousa was unhappy with his employers and moved, the board were unhappy with their manager and were telling him he had to change his methods for the coming season. Neither saw eye to eye and ways were parted - maybe the board were relieved that Sousa walked before they were forced to push him? I don't know.

    I don't see how people back Sousa and not the board though? I just find it odd. Our board always have had Swansea at heart and tend to always make the right decision. Sousa makes a decision for his own career, not for the good of Swansea, and left. It seems like the board make loads of decisions that fans disagree with but we still continue to improve anyway. That tells me that they are getting the difficult decisions right more often than not.

    I won't say anymore on the subject because I've said my piece and I think I simply just disagree with some people on the matter, plus I have things to do this Sunday night. Enjoy the continued discussion, lads!
     
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  8. swanseaandproud

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    This is why the jack to a king is cringe worthy now and played on far too much.....It is a very bias view and that don't tell the whole story and focus to much on leon Who walked out on the club throwing his toys out of his pram. they failed in telling about the board room arguments or any of that stuff......Jack to a king is a bit of a farce and a one sided view in many respects and im sick of hearing it...:eek:
     
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  9. Jager

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    I'm not backing Sousa over the board, he left 5 years ago and is not relevant now to our club. What I question is their decision to omit the guy completely about our rise from the bottom to the top. Don't you think it's funny that literally every manager since toshack was mentioned but him?

    I don't see the point of the rest of your post to be honest as I'm questioning a single act as in the altering of history, not every decision they have ever made
     
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    Stumpy most if not all of what you have stated is true, but they are the bare facts, without the back drop of the personality issues between Huw and Sousa? there was an on going personality clash most of that season, I happen to know that Martin Morgan had sympathy for Sousa and didn't want to see him go, anyway you cannot take away where we ended up with no Striker, yes the games were boring and painful to watch, but 52% of Jacks wanted him to stay, while 48% wanted him gone, those figures were from an on-line pole at the time. Sousa made his contribution even though Huw was running the dugout ("Throw Jenkins in the Dugout"), It wasn't all Sousa's fault, Huw was being rather bloody minded if the truth be known, and deliberately failed to back him in the January transfer window, the issues between the two effected team spirit, poor Trundle couldn't buy a game, because he was Jenkins answer to Sousa's front man request, and Sousa's response was to play Pantstado all season!!........................<cheers>


    Never a dull moment with that Skewen boy Huw Jenkins aye.....................<laugh>
     
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    That would be Huw, there was no love lost between the two, rather sad that we did not include him in the film, but I was not surprised............<ok>
     
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  12. bigkidderz

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    They haven't omitted him completely though, have they? They've omitted him from a film. And to be fair, they haven't given him a mention today on Social Media either. That's not rewriting history. Nothing has been altered. You keep using the word 'altered' so incorrectly. He's been omitted, ignored if you will, but in no way has history been altered or rewritten. Some care little about his omission (me), some obviously care more (you). Anyone that wants to find any information about Sousa on the internet can - it's all there. History hasn't actually been rewritten, you know. The fact that he's been omitted from a film and not given a mention on Facebook just tells me that our board doesn't like the guy. Hardly a crime, if a little distasteful. If I was writing an autobiography, I can think of a few people who I'd happily leave out...or should I not as I'd be altering my history?! Come on... It's really not that big a deal...at least for me.
     
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  13. Jager

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    They have all but rewritten history, just like the yanks do in some of their films, but at least that is a work of fiction, this is a work of under-handiness, sorry but completely ignoring that the guy was part of our history by the club means that they are coming across as childish. They make a big fanfare of announcing what happened on this day at our club in years gone by, doing this means they are petty!

    So this is what happened at our club 6 years today, I will put on here as the club has no balls!

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/jun/23/paulo-sousa-swansea-city-manager
     
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    Jager you should send a copy of that page to Huw, I'm sure he'd choke on his morning coffee seeing it again................<cheers>
     
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  15. Jager

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    I sent them a message over facebook saying that they are being childish and have no balls
     
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