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Grand Prix thread von Austria 2015 Chat and Predictions

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by EternalMSC, Jun 17, 2015.

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Whowillwinintheosterreichring?

Poll closed Jun 19, 2015.
  1. HAMILTON

    80.0%
  2. ROSBERG

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  3. VETTEL

    6.7%
  4. RAIKKONEN

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  5. BOTTAS

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  6. RICCIARDO

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  7. KVYAT

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  8. GROSJEAN

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  9. NASR

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  10. OTHER: Please State

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  1. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    again no race for the lead, but there were scraps down the field, (nice of the beeb to edit it so that, during the middle of a 4 car battle we had to be shown the WHOLE of Tiny Tim's pit-stop).
    The end was spoiled by the inane DRS rules, it's supposed to be for overtaking the car in front, not overtaking people who have to slow down and let you pass, it would've made the final few laps more interesting if Massa hadn't had DRS almost every zone from lapped car.
    but then there was Pastor, who saved it all by himself
     
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  2. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Kimi runs either hot or cold... Which is a shame because he could have achieved greatness. He'll certainly be remembered as one of the sport's true characters though. The last of his kind!
     
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  3. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    "The driver that could, but at times couldn't be arsed". Haha, we will remember his talent.
     
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  4. EternalMSC

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    It just mystifies me how much skill he seems to have lost since 2013 where his comeback was brilliant. I reckon majority of his woes are due to the new torqier engines, he just buries his foot out of a corner as MrCento said.

    He's become the driver of a by-gone era and has failed to adapt since the changes last year. Sad but as he usually says 'it is how it is'.
     
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  5. BrightLampShade

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    What a dull race. Some midfield action but not really enough. I wondered if it would have been better if Hamilton was in front (since Rosberg seemed the faster) but I doubt much would have happened.

    You can't blame Mercedes for any of this,they're doing their job. As long as f1 is like this nothing will change. Some teams get $100m more than others just for turning up. Some teams are simply loaded and willing to prove their power. Unless something is done to spread the winnings nothing will change. Mercedes will fall one day, the problem is someone will take their equally dominating mantle.
     
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  6. Mrcento

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    I'm not too sure on the ins and outs of the modern ways of working, however if i was Kimis engineer, i'd be saying one thing to him.

    "We're changing your throttle map, No ifs, buts or maybes, you'll just need to adapt".

    It's a preference thing, i remember in the early 2000's, Ferrari offered a package to rich folk a chance to "buy" an f1 car and drive it around Mugello. As part of that package, the drivers got some set up options, one of which was them getting to choose which of the 2 race drivers maps they wanted to run, Schumachers or Barichellos. The difference, it's said between them was pretty much the throttle map, Schumacher liked a long pedal where he could feed in and blend out power, Rubens liked it much snappier, close to an on off switch where he modulated throttle in bursts rather than to varying degrees.

    Pretty much everyone who drove HAD to use Schumachers map because Rubens' on/off throttle terrified them.

    I think Kimi needs a longer pedal to smooth out his initial throttle input and allow room to blend out of it to a greater degree. It's understandable why you'd want a sharp throttle in order to get pick up out of corners faster, but in the modern era, with the torque coming in when the turbo kicks in and tyres you really don't want to be spinning up, control is greater than outright power.
     
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  7. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    This is exactly the problem. The coffers need to be spread evenly with win bonuses that promote fighting for the win, but not big enough to skew the competition. It's never going to happen though, and the cycle of dominance, reg changes and small teams collapsing will continue.

    Also need a sensible budget cap.
     
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  8. EternalMSC

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    2010 and 2012 will be remembered as the best seasons of the sport in recent times.
    '14/'15 will be the opposite.
     
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  9. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    2012 was a great year, so was the first part of 2013, until Pirelli introduced their Jihadi spec tyre.
     
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  10. EternalMSC

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    Dead...lmao.
     
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  11. BrightLampShade

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    Wonder if Kimi can add PU damage to his list of how to have a bad weekend?

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    None of that stuff is on the PU list but it'll have a physical connection that can pass on a impact I imagine.

    Someone has kindly posted a video on youtube, was a bit close!

     
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  12. SgtBhaji

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    That's a really ugly crash. Kimi was lucky to not take a significant knock to the head.
     
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  13. DHCanary

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    Don't know about Kimi, but it's been confirmed that Alonso sustained power unit damage in that accident, and requires a new PU for Silverstone. Another penalty.
     
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  14. El_Bando

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    ...Looks like my lawn mower
     
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  15. EternalMSC

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    The damage is probably worth 100000x more though. Not nice for an F1 fan to see.
     
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    You would think that sense would prevail - how can he be gaining an advantage from his already penalised changes when he completed 1/3rd of a lap? There really needs to be some consensus on sorting this **** out!
     
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  17. EternalMSC

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    Especially considering the guy who broke it is getting away with it. And not for the first time, if it was anyone else, he'd be getting a penalty but because it's Kimi he gets away with murder!
     
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    Tbf it was Kimis fault outright. Some Maldonadoesque driving recently.
     
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  20. Max Whiplash

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    This is ridiculous. Fernando was penalised in Monaco for much less than Kimi's ****-up yesterday, now he's doubly penalised through no fault of his own.

    It's such a waste seeing him limping and dropping out every race when he's one of the genuine great drivers; he won't be around for us to watch forever.
     
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