His fellow christians also forgave him. You cant expect those who explicitly justify their actions through a certain religion not to tar the wider community.
That's the truth. People give in to prejudice very easily and are quick to make assumptions on unrelated matters as a result. That way they can justify bigotry and tar innocent, decent people with the same brush. You're talking about the creation of ridiculous stereotypes. Are all Brits like Boris Johnson? Are all men like Gary Glitter? Are all women like Katie Hopkins? Are all Chinese people good at maths? Are all gays camp? Are all Americans like Dylann Roof? Are all muslims, including the wives of a couple of posters on here, like Osama Bin Laden? I feel sorry for anyone who let's one person or several individuals "tar the wider community". When realistically it's not just one community, there's merely something they have in common.
Look at the name of this thread mate. It's not some muslims, it's not IS, the PLO it's just muslims. Decent people lumped with a bunch of ****s when they shouldn't be. Islam is actually a pretty diverse religion which spans the globe and has different practices and beliefs throughout. Like all religions it's ****ing moronic but they're not all one and the same and shouldn't be treated as such.
And as far as we know neither did the incident in Austria. It shouldn't be assumed that some deranged twat has killed people in the name of a religion just because he follows that religion.
It's only a debate regarding a subject, that Billy wanted to discuss. I always attempt to deplore religion on the whole rather than one specific faith anyhow, I'm happy to tar all religion, I don't see the logic in putting a target on your back. People should be able to debate this, for the very reasons you've highlighted mate, I'm humble enough to admit I learn new things on here every day, if people can take a subject like this and approach it the wrong way, then through rational debate people like me can learn things and maybe be able to form a more educated opinion. Like Pops said, it's a subject that is considered taboo to discuss but people need to discuss it so that voices can be heard.
What gives us the right to discuss what should be done about an entire religion mate? The last time a bloke decided what should be done to an entire religion? The last time that happened, the holocaust began. If the question was what should be done about British citizens who go to fight for IS, Jihadi brides, so on and so forth I'd completely understand the need for discussion. I fail to see how we need to discuss what to do with some old kind old lady in London, a new born baby in Bradford or an honest, hard working and well integrated family in Ipswich because they follow a certain religion.
It's like asking what we should have done with the nazis in the early 30's but these buggers were not living amongst us. I am going to give you credit here for being a young lad but I was brought up as a kid in the 60's, as a kid I remember my mum and dad glued to the telly during the Cuban missile crisis, I remember living through the cold war and was there to witness the Russian Tanks rolling up to the Berlin Wall in 79/80 in confrontation. I think our opinion and decision is foremost with this religion as they are in our ****ing country and for every good egg, there seems to be 3 bad eggs. The sad thing is, we invited them in and still have the hypocrisy of watching our politicians on remembrance day.. This country's ****ed mate, has been for a long time..
Is that what we are discussing? 'What to do with Muslims' because that isn't the title of the thread. The debate is regarding Muslims, if somebody is debating this subject and has the fortune to learn something new and that allows them to a more informed opinion on the subject then what's the problem? Gagging people from discussing topics is equal to the point you're making mate.
I'm off, to many nice lads on here seem to have turned some kind of corner.. Maybe pubicy, **** knows..
Look at the first post mate. "What should the west do with them? Give them carte-blanche & allow them to have their own way to do whatever they like? Send the ****s back to Syria, Jordan or Libya? Bring in an Adolf type person to wipe them out? Or, make them adapt to western society? Open post up for discussion before the Minx gets involved." That seems to be exactly what the point of the debate is. What to do with an entire religion spanning every populated continent on earth. I'm not trying to gag people. I'm trying to suggest that every single muslim isn't lumped together If it comes out tomorrow that some manc bloke has been ****ing his neighbours pet terrier I'll be the first to suggest we don't judge all mancs on his behaviour.
Regardless of my age my beliefs will be the same mate. The Nazi's were an entirely extremist group hellbent on genocide. Islam is a religion based upon worshipping some imaginary bloke in the sky that seems to attract extremists. Those extremists need dealing with. It's no one's right to judge or decide the faith of decent muslims. The good eggs need to be left alone and the bad eggs need to be come down upon, hard, in my eyes. Anything other than leaving those good eggs alone is persecution on account of their religious beliefs, which puts us on a par with IS.
Agree with this but it doesn`t seem to happen with Islam There have been plenty of debates on sensitive subjects. Legalising homosexuality, abortion, gay marriage et al. For a proper debate there has to be for and against. With Islam it seems like `for` is fine, `against` is islamophobia. Discussion over. Warsi is shouting it again this morning. Nothing detrimental is allowed to be said in case it upsets community relations. That, on it`s own is guaranteed to divide. That, imo, is where many of the frustrations are.
Who've you been speaking to? Sorry mate didn't go back through the thread and look. The thread evolved though from that, nobody is discussing what the west do with them, we are merely discussing topics that we feel are relevant. The media do it, just not as brutally as this threads OP suggests. People are getting evidence of those entering this country with bad intentions thrust upon them by the media every single day, whether it's distorted by agendas is another debate. Inevitably every person is not going to think exactly like you otherwise this forum would be awful (not you in particular) and nobody would have anything else to add after post 1. What do you think about the video I posted? Does it make you angry? People I know come back in body bags from Iraq and that police man was intimidated in the UK by an Islamic fundamentalist into removing his wristband. Do you not think that irrational behaviour will somehow spawn from that from UK citizens? Are you 100% rational in everything you do?
Totally agree mate. To me islam is like christianity, buddhism, and every other religion. Just another ideology, like nationalism, fascism, communism. Just another delusion of the masses. But I dont allow it to colour my life or my outlook. My glass is always half full. I'm the eternal optimist.
Wrote quite a long reply to this but I can't really be arsed with this anymore. I think I'm done with the forum to be honest now mate.
