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Discussion in 'Hull City' started by ElTigre, Dec 30, 2014.

  1. Spook

    Spook Well-Known Member

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    Not really. Likewise, it isn't terribly wasteful and inefficient in Scandinavia, the Netherlands, Germany, France etc. etc. I'm not talking about public vs. private either. The Netherlands, for example, uses obligatory private insurance for all citizens when they use hospitals and clinics but long term mental illness is covered by social insurance. People in the US who can't afford health insurance and have mental illnesses are left to suffer. In my opinion, it's barbaric and leads to these sort of shootings because they haven't been diagnosed and thus, they are free to own firearms.

    I don't have a problem with the 'right to bear arms' but the US needs to enforce a federal law which makes it mandatory for all potential gun owners to pass a medical test.
     
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    There's no denying it is inefficient in this country, you only need to speak with someone involved in the process to know how much money is wasted. I'm not going to pretend I know enough about the health care in other European countries to form an opinion, I trust what your saying is true.

    And your right the system in America is failing people, but the instant introduction of social healthcare is not the answer, its too radical and would never gain enough support to become a reality, they need to figure out a middle ground, but thats easier said than done.
     
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  4. ElTigre

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    3.5 million people have died in road crashes in the USA since the motor car was invented! I googled. :biggrin:
     
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    I went to Orlando Gun Club last week and fired a 9mm a 44 magnum and an AK47 it was ****ing ace, the bullets for the magnum were $2 each tho and it was nearly impossible to hold it still at arms length and hit the target at 25 yards, so when Dirty Harry is running down the street killing villains with every bullet, Bollocks he is.
     
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    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    Unless your just a bit limp wristed Rico?? :emoticon-0140-rofl:
     
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    the states are too far gone now to remove gun licensing to the majority, it wouldn't work

    they love the guns there, no matter how many massacres, and to be fair, considering our size, we've had a fair few shootings
     
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    A population of nearly 65 million and 3rd largest in the EU, I'd say the number of shootings we've had are minuscule.
     
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    i was talking more land mass, but you can't stop nutters
     
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    What does land mass have to do with the number of shootings?
     
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    Not much particularly
     
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    It's a bloody heavy gun about 5 or 6 lbs I think, and the kick on it and the noise when I fired it, I nearly **** myself, everyone around me jumped even with ear defenders on.
     
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    How many rounds did you fire with it?
    What was the AK like? Just a quick burst or single shots?
     
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    6 in the 44, it nearly broke my sodding wrist, it was single shots in the AK they are the old 7.62 long ammo which is the same used by the British army SLR only discontinued about 20 years ago.

    The Magazine on that held 16 which isn't many considering they do the auto version
     
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  15. Spook

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    To be fair, guns are fun to shoot. I've fired a double-barreled shotgun and a hunting rifle before and there is a skill to it.
     
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    It's the kid in us, that's why they are so fascinating, Hull fair has air guns which are always popular, at the gun club there was a bloke there with his own pistols fitted with silencers he was target shooting and was bloody good, and a really old bloke who had to sit to reload but still had good grouping.

    There was an assault rifle I think it was the M4 the ammo was massive a bit like a light machine gun, which I was going to rent but a bloke in front got it first, we had the AK, on the 50m range me, my wife and my daughter who is in the RAF and handles the SA80 watched him load it, take aim and when it fired it was so loud and the percussion shook everyone there, my wife and daughter left because it scared them so much.

    He only fired it twice and it jammed so I was glad because the shockwave it gave off was scary, and these are weapons Americans can buy so long as they have the license. My daughter was not impressed with the security because we picked up the weapons the ammo and walked to the range without any pro buddy's, if we had been looneys ( don't ) we could have killed anyone and each other.

    That's how the bloke portrayed in American sniper got killed and he was a pro and he never saw the signs, they ought to ban the sales really, it's no wonder crazy people kill so many.
     
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    America spends a higher percentage of its GDP on healthcare than we do.
    Despite the number of health problems from obesity, deaths through drugs, murders, road deaths etc it has a life expectancy slightly higher than Cuba which has a "free" health service and doesn't suffer from those problems and has a similar life expectancy to ourselves.
    The private part of the French and Dutch systems make you a valued customer who they want to choose them and not a number. No waiting to see a consultant or get the results of blood tests and x-Rays there. I know someone who lives in Holland and as he says would people be willing to pay for a similar system here?
     
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    I shot down a police helicopter with a stinger that was chasing me when I robbed a Ferrari Enzo in Monaco.
     
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  19. Spook

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    I actually like the Dutch system. Only 65% of healthcare spending is government expenditure so we have to assume the other 35% is private and/or charities. In the UK, only 6.1% of healthcare spending is from private sources. It puts thing into perspective when certain people think the NHS will be instantly privatised and no longer free at the point of need. Although, our GDP isn't as high as other European countries.
     
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    No you didn't.
     
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