Off Topic Muslims - a fresh debate.

But soldiers all the same.

 

Billy, when you were there, did you and your mates regard the IRA as soldiers?

 

That`s the crux of it. It`s always in the news and it`s always bad. Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, Hamas, Al Shebab, ISIS et al. Atrocity after atrocity in the name of Allah. What do they expect people to think.

The problem `ordinary` muslims have is that it`s in the Q`ran. They might ignore it but they can`t denounce it. As much as they might like to, they can`t get away from it. The verses are there. They may not be bad people but they`re stuck with a bad ideology.

 

I'm sure they saw them as terrorists, they were still at war though. They're not soldiers in the way we view them, it's whether they see themselves as soldiers is the thing.

 

I'm sorry Funky, but you're falling into the trap of confusing Islam with IS. 20% of all the world's Muslims live in Indonesia where there are no problems with them at all (though as Blunham says, there is always a bit of feeling between Sunni and Shia). I think only about 12% live in Arab countries, and that's where all the trouble is coming from. The Arab/Islamic problems either started or were greatly inflamed when the Shah of Persia tried to Americanize the country (now Iran) in the 1950s. That inflamed the sensibilities of the population so badly they deposed him and handed the government of the country to priests. Now, some Arab Islamists see America itself as some sort of devil. But the vast majority of the world's Muslims don't want to know that stuff.

 

No I'm not.

 

We saw them as ****ers mate.
Their field craft was ****.
They saw themselves as soldiers, I did not.
The provo's were fighting for a cause they believed in, for that I gave them a grudging respect even though I hated the ****ers.

 

Too ****ing right we were.

 

Prove that and I'll be flabbergasted with your evidence.

It's nothing to do with Arab nations, it's the mentality of the people, indoctrinated by the script they live their lives by. The line can be drawn to distinguish educated and non-educated Muslims, those who have accepted education and can think rationally (I'm not talking about clever people, I'm specifically referring to people who are able to tell right from wrong) these people tend to do way too much sitting on the fence in this particular religion. "It's not for me to deal with", "I'm just a peaceful Muslim". Tough ****, they have the same responsibility as the rest of us to rid the world of the infestation that stand on the other side of the line.

They want to bring terror to the world because it's their only option, they have not got the means to go into full scale war with the world's biggest superpower, the entire middle east would be flattened overnight if American forces unloaded all of it's capabilities in one go.

The Muslim religion forces primitive ideals on it's people, they cannot stand a non-Muslim ruling over them, it's just completely 'Haram' for them to accept that under Allah's terms, but they have no other option, so they have to show that they are fighting against this unless Allah punishes them.

They turn towards Meccah and press their faces into the floor umpteen times per day for no reason other than the fact that they are ****ing stupid. Thus they should be treated that way, of course, until they stop it, prove they can think rationally and earn the right not to be surpressed.

This is natural selection in it's most basic form happening in front of our eyes.

 

All religions are ****ing **** if you ask me.
Piss pots.

 

I was asked to leave church once mate because one vicar said "Jesus will judge everybody, make sure you behave..." blah blah blah and then the next vicar said "Jesus forgives everybody blah ****ing blah"... all I said was "You just spent 5 minutes saying Jesus will judge and punish then you said he forgives everything, which one is it?".

The guy said it was preposterous that I interrupted his service and that I was an imposter... Thou shall not challenge anything they say, I guess is the first rule of Church Club.

****ing kiddie fiddling ****s.

 

Can I just say - the term Muslim being used to stereotype is wrone - I know a lot of Muslims who are very nice, run of the mill people. Muslim extremists on the other hand - kill the ****ers!

 

Somewhere in the world somebody knows a Muslim extremist who is also very nice.

Let's not forget this suicide bomber that was Comm's original point if I remember rightly, everybody is shocked about him, they've all come out saying how nice the little **** was.

I'm sure most of them start off nice.

 

That surprises me not one iota mate.

 

Got my figures stlightly off there. But Indonesia does have the largest percentage of the world's Muslims (12.7%) followed by Pakistan (11%) and India (10.9%). See :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country#Table​

 

Same attitude as a mate I used to work with. Gave them the same grudging respect but nowt else!

Like those bastards that killed that poor lad Pte Rigby. They can call themselves soldiers all they like but to me they're just criminal deluded pieces of **** who should have been strung up. Its just a shame the Armed Response Teams didn't do them, though I guess that would have made them martyrs which is probably even worse.

 

Only because half of the ones from Pakistan now live in Bradford and Luton

Edit: I wasn't questioning the validity of your figures mate, but the end part of the sentence where you say they're 'No trouble'.

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A bit of feeling? Strewth Relic that`s a bit of an understatement. Muhammad died over 1400 years ago and they`ve been killing each other ever since.

With respect mate I think you`ve got things about face. The ISIS types are following the Q`ran to the letter. That`s what it says. That`s what they do. That is true Islam. Those who don`t see it that way are not proper muslims and liable to be executed as apostates. Probably the reason for the massacres of thousands of muslim villagers, women and children.

 

They're following their own warped interpretation of it to suit their own agenda.

Christians could probably do the same with the bible. The Spanish church certainly did during the Inquisition. Its not what is read, its how its read.