I think you'll find that's down to Mike Ashley mate, not the fans. Regardless of club size or fanbase, if you have an owner who will undermine you, given you very limited funds and create a division between the club and supporters, it becomes a very difficult job to sell to anyone. I don't think NUFC fans have a "sense of entitlement" as such, but in the last decade or so we have pushed hard for the premier league title and beaten the likes of Juventus, Barcelona et al in the Champions League. After having that so recently, is it any surprise that telling us to just accept mid table mediocrity now doesn't go down so well? Not meaning this in any patronising way at all, but I'd have thought most Sunderland fans can't remember a time when Sunderland consistently achieved anything better than mid table mediocrity, so of course purely surviving in the premier league is much more acceptable in the minds of your lot than it is ours. Not saying we are more entitled, it's just recent history isn't it. I'm sure Len Shackleton would be livid with where your club is at the minute, but it's just not relevant.
Leave me alone you ****er. I spell like a 10 year old! Probably worse. Ta for pointing it out, I won't learn from it though. That's dyslexia for you
The fans at United generally support our players and staff inside the stadium, even Moyes was exempt from abuse inside the stadium for the most part. Fellaini got his fair share last season, Anderson is a fat useless waste of space but the worst I've seen is Tom Cleverley, the bitterness towards him was apparent. He was a pile of **** who Fergie prioritised over Pogba, **** him, he didn't have big enough bollocks to wear the shirt.
I'm not just saying this off the back of the Champs League final, I've seen quite a lot of Pogba and think he's vastly overrated. I think he could come in and be a solid box to box midfielder for a top 4 club, but most seem to think he'd walk into the prem and become a star which is way, way off imo. Some of the numbers being talked about just make the mind boggle.
You haven't been in the Champions League for about 15 years mate. That Barca side you beat was hardly the dominant Barca side United beat or the one Chelsea beat on our ways to CL glory either. You lot bang on about that as if you turned over the best club side the world has ever seen.
He's nowhere near the top player the media make him out to be mate, but he's far better than Cleverley ever will be. To tell you the truth, part of me thinks he's scared to come back to the EPL. I think he'll do well at PSG/Barca but stick him in that Madrid side and the fans will bully him like they have with Bale.
I'm not sure on the exact dates but it was only 12 years ago that we became the first club in history (and remain so) to lose our first 3 group games and still qualify. That was typical Newcastle, even one of our proudest nights came about from being so utterly **** to begin with I can't even remember that Barca game so I certainly don't bang on about it. May not have been the all conquering Barca side of today but still had some massive names such as Figo, Rivaldo, Enrique, De La Pena, Reiziger.
Xabi Alonso was never appreciated at Madrid mate and he's three times the player Pogba is. Slightly different players but still, Real Madrid's 2 "holding" players need to be all about attack to satisfy their crowd. I refuse to get hysterical about any players that continue to flit around the Serie A, Ligue 1 and Bundesliga type leagues. Second rate leagues where you aren't challenged. To truly prove yourself you need to play in the premier league or La Liga for me.
I'm not convinced. Daglish, Gullit, Robson, Roader and Souness all pre Ashley. From the outside looking it looks like Shepard putting daft ideas in your head only for both him and Ashley underwhelming you as result. Many a club has swamped itself in debt who would kill for an Ashley to steady their ship. Ashley is an arsehole, but an Arsehole who's got you decent shape. It could be a lot worse for you and I think that's what others looking in can see. You're not patronising me fella, In fact you're understating our situation, we've only just broke the habit of being a yo yo club and before the we were a 2nd tier team. Probably why we see a few things you lot don't and why I don't like the entitlement which is creeping in with some of our fans and some of these fans seem to lack the intelligence to handle their own emotions and resort to terrace abuse. You've had a handful of seasons in Europe. I see it as a blessing for you to have had those experiences. Instead you demand more, it only takes a bad appointment or a summer of bad recruitment to see teams over take you, but their luck won't last for ever either. You don't have the global brand or a sugar daddy to fund you to keep you consistently competing at the level you demand. Until you have either of those things you'll remain a mid table club who occasionally achieves Europe or occasionally flirts with relegation. imo of course
Did the fans call them a **** or a bastard or Ugly? Cause that what really gets me, it's when the critique stops and full on abuse begins. It's just not on imo.
I suppose that's how it will always be though mate, fans who haven't had things such as European experiences will always think those who have should just be grateful, while those who have experienced it will always pine for those days to come back. It works higher up the scale aswell, I'm sure most Newcastle fans think that Arsenal should just be grateful to Wenger that he's given them 2 decades of Champions League football and gave them a few titles. It's the nature of football fans to want more though. All I know is that it is galling, when you can remember taking on Europe's elite in the World's top club competition, to be told that you should be happy with coming second to Swansea City in the "race for eighth".
Short and sweet Ftm. ****ing bunch of deluded twats. Half way line. A scene out of monty python. ****ers
Absolutely but when it translates as pure venom is when it becomes detrimental and that's the whole point I'm making, it's not the expectations it's how those expectations are managed which is the problem. I think both clubs continue to shoot themselves in the foot on that score. Passion and expectations seem to be continuously misguided. I don't know why a fan consortium doesn't buy Ashley out. You've got enough local businesses with enough high profile fans to head it. Much better than protest upon protest which achieves nothing other than take the attention away from the pitch while those lads are trying to do a job for you.
True, I think venom is, for some, a part of football though and always will be. I don't see it as being particularly different at any other club, we just see it more up here due to local media etc. I bellieve the reason we haven't been taken over is that Ashley has no intention of selling. The longer he holds on here, eeking a few million out of us every year, the greater his overall profit will be when he eventually sells. It makes no financial sense for him to sell us.
I've not even heard a whimper of any local interest though. Has it even be discussed? He's set his price, has anyone met it to know if he won't sell? It maybe a steep price but with the TV money going up again and the fact the clubs only debt will disappear with the previous owner(as it's included in his price) Makes it look a good investment. An investment that could see a return in 5 or 6 years with the right player recruitment(team investment is a necessary which would slow the return other wise it could see a return in just a few years).
