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  1. Shearer's Elbow

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    ...then surely Podolski and Hernandez would go a long way towards solving our goal scoring issues? Been reading about how Hernandez wants game time, and I guess Podolski must be the same as he won't get that regularly at Arsenal. If only we had an owner willing to pay what it takes. Over to you Mike....(oh yeah and screw age and resale value)
     
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  2. Lord Jonjomort

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    Crikey, not two names I'd put in a sentence with ambition personally. I for one won't castigate our imitation of a football board if neither show up at SJP.
     
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    Hernandez is a bit of a luxury player. He only contributes goal hanging, so the rest of the team would need to be pretty good to accommodate him. Podolski's over the hill, but I wouldn't be disappointed if either were looked at... because of wages and stuff (you know, personal pride and ambition of said players) they won't be...
     
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  4. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

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    Why are people keep going on about strikers when we have NO, repat that again, NO players who can create chances for strikers?

    In order of priority for me is
    Defence - every fecking position apart from RB
    Wingers - why look at players like Austin if we have no-one to put a ball in!
    A creative midfielder - see above
    A striker!
     
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  5. Prince Isak (GG)

    Prince Isak (GG) Well-Known Member

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    More or less this for me. A creative midfielder would make a massive difference for our current strikers. I rate arrons but he's a crock. I think cabella could do ok next season. The rest are clart. I can't wait to see the horses that we buy though. Would that young lad from Derby come. Will hughes.
     
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  6. Seabass

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    I would take Podolski straight off. Industrious, shoots on sight, by all accounts a top personality to have around the place. Guarantee he would end up being a favourite.
     
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    We aspire for a 28 day matured classy steak and all we will get is off cuts from lidl.
     
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  8. Seabass

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    Lidal is fun though. A bit like nufc used to be.
     
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  9. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    Wouldn't argue with that. JH worked well when he was at United for us because he was often used as an impact sub, get the ball in the box and he will take a chance more often than not. He's not somebody who will offer an awful lot more though, I'd agree he's not what you need right now.

    I still really like the guy, but I won't be as disappointed if he left now than I would have been 3 or 4 years ago.
     
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    Wouldn't be able to get Hernandez and Podolski. Hernandez will be in high demand, lets face it last season he was on loan at Real Madrid.
     
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  11. General Lee Speaking

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    Wages too high and they would still be wanting to play in the Champions League. Charlie Austin is definitely more realistic, better VFM, and frankly a better player for what we require. If we really have ambition we will be making sure we sign Austin and Ayew. Those 2 players could make a big difference to our attack next season IMHO. Both in demand, but if we had ambition....
     
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    I would take Austin, ayew and try get 2 cb and a creative cm. that would be a good start. Problem is I honestly cannot think of two half decent cb that would either come to our club and would not cost a fortune. People keep mentioning shawcross but I don't think he would come and would cost a fortune.
     
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  13. Toon_Man_Sam1

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    Disagree, Priority should be

    1 Striker
    2 Defenders, Maily CB
    3 Centre mid
    4 Wingers

    A very good striker will get 20 odd goals a game, 2 could get you 30 -40, your already on the front foot then. we have had good strikers and not particularly world class creativity, but the movement of players like Ba, loic remy and Cisse when he first arrived makes it easier for the midfield, our attack makes our midfield look useless going forward. Carrol's movement in the box from corners and long balls meant it didnt matter how good the delivery was, he would alway do his best to get on the end of it!
     
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  14. It's_all_Greek_to_me

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    Scoring more goals than the opposition wins matches. Our defence has always been crap in the PL era but in the past we have had goalscorers and creative players than would allow us to win more than we lost. Under Pardew that philosophy changed [and of course Kinnear before him.] Creative players and a goalscorer are a must. If we win games 4-3 people would love it. Not saying that we don't need to strengthen our defence [because we obviously do] but we need to do both positions equally.
     
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    You appear to be missing the point! We have strikers (well Cisse anyway) who can score goals reguarly! Problem is we have no one who can create them therefore creative midfileders/wingers are a priority!

    And if you do not think that our defence is the biggest priority bearing in mind we only have one decent defender than words fail me!

    Also a 20 goal a season striker only exists for the top 4 pretty much these days and sets you back over £20M - just look at how much Chelski want for Bamford!
     
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    We have strikers, where? Cisse has been awful this year, really is just a fox in the box or a player that is half decent when he doesnt do too much and just shoots, His build up play, holding the ball up, first touch, control and passing are all awful. His movement is not the worst but could be so much better. We are always under so much pressure because the ball will not stick up top. Hopefully with McLaren we stop playing Williamson Hoof Football.

    Ayoze, class act, but very young and more of a AMR, AML or a second striker, definatley not the target man we have tried to make him all year. Armstrong is the same. I expect a bigger year from both of them this year.

    Rivierre - Get Rid! Awful player. Worse than Cisse at all the attributes described above with the benefit of not being able to shoot!

    Anyone else? No, even after just one year in the championship, Bamford would be a better option than all those three. he reminds me of Harry Kane when he was on loan at Norwich.
     
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  17. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

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    So what is the point of wingers and creative midfielders then? We have not one player who can create the chances for our strikers! Fair enough if you just want defenders who lump ball forward to big man up front and have little man around him. In which case we need no new midfielders at all as Colback, Anita, Tiote and Sissoko will be suffice. But I would rather have a more creative style of play!
    Cisse is a goal scorer who with the right service is a 20 goal a season.
    Carroll? You are having a laugh! He is the Saylor of strikers!

    We, however, badly need to sort out our defence! We have a RB that is worthy of the Premiership and that is it! (Forgot about Lascelles). So we need a CB to replace Willo and another first team CB to replace Colo. We then need to have a LB. Then we need some wingers and a creative midfielder ala Cabaye!

    With the strikers we have if we had decent wingers and a decent creative midfielder I would say Cisse should get 15 goals, Riviere would get around 10 and same with Perez! The creative midfielder would also score upwards of 10 as well (maybe dreaming here) and the right CB would score 4 or 5 a season!
     
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  18. Toon_Man_Sam1

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    We have 3 premiership defenders, possibly four. Jaanmat, S Taylor is a premiership squad defender and Colocinni who may have been poor at times this year, but you try playing at the back with Mike Williamson!

    Lacelles i cant comment on, but has all the physical Attributes to make it, from reports ive read, he needs to sort the mental side of his game out.
    Hairdaira is a fairly decent LB to have and Dummet is usefull as a squad player, both could move on to mid-table prem teams, which is what we aspire to be!

    I think if we got 2 new CB in (on top of Lascelles) we could have more than adequate cover and Id also add Mike williamson leaving to that equation.
     
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  19. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

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    Ok,

    Haidara - good young prospect
    Dummett - nadda - get rid
    Willo - holy ****e - get rid
    Colo - downward spiral towards ****eness - get rid or back up
    Lascelles - good young prospect but am hoping he makes the step up to 1st team starter
    Saylor - good squad player but cannot be relied upon to be fit
    Janmaat - quality

    So we need a starting LB, a starting CB as main priorities.
    Then we will need a back up CB and a young RB prospect.
     
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    Janmaat is our only real quality defender. Haidara - Jury is out for me.
    Lascelles - An unknown but I have heard good things about him.
    The rest are absolutely pants. Dummett is dogshit. Colo needs to **** off. Steven Taylor is nothing more than a squad player. Willo - Well he's like the Titanic.
     
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