Will the FSW be better than Carlo at Madrid?

No one is taking anything away from Jose, the issue is Rafa being called ****e when clearly he is not. His biggest flaw imho and actually Jose's biggest strength, is man management.

Porto got absolutely gutted after Jose left. Similar happened to Ajax after winning the CL when they had Kluivert and co.

 

The thing that held Rafa back and Liverpool AND valencia was $$. After winning the UEFA and 2 La Liga's with Valencia, they tightened the purse strings and refused to meet his transfer targets, and the same **** happened to Liverpool after winning the CL and coming second in the PL. Those two twats HnG nearly sank us while rafa was there and that what makes me laugh about EC banging on about the last few years of Rafa's Liverpool tenure. Had he had Jose like funds at Chelsea, it would certainly have been different. Rafa was forced to buy a lot of ****e cos we needed depth in the squad, he could not spend all his cash on two or three players cos we'd not have had any depth, the club tried to cheapskate the situation due to the financial mess HnG presided over

With Real, he will be given a lot of cash. It will be interesting to see how it pans out but I wouldn't be shocked if Real win the CL next year

 

What about Rafas poor showing in the league with the following teams:

Napoli, Inter, Chelsea? So other than Valencia and one 2nd place finish at pool, Rafa has absolutely flopped at challenging for the title in every season he's had. He's a good cup manager though i will give him that.

As for Portos squad being decent, thats utter tosh. Outside Deco and Carvalho who went onto be greats, the rest of the squad is bang average/solid players who weren't anything special.

That Inter squad, whilst having some special players have been perennial failures in the champions league, not sure they ever made it into a semi final (maybe once 15 years ago against AC? Mourinho made that Inter team special and got the best out of them

 

I was going to reply with a proper post but seeing as you posted that, you are an idiot that knows nothing about football. Everyone out there that knows anything knows Porto had a good side, they won the CL after all, crap teams don't win the Champions League.

So when you spout cack like that it kinda ruins the rest of your post, Porto had 9 yes 9 very good players which included some excellent ones, Bosingwa was also part of that team, Paulo Ferrera Baia Maniche were also very good, not world beaters but you dont need world beaters in every position, especially for Jose's brand of football. You don't know **** lad, how old are you? In your 20s?

That side was better than the Liverpool side that won the CL in 2005

 

The money will help, though how much say Rafa will have over how it's spent is another matter of course.

Rafa's got 2 things against him IMO. Man management and not giving 'lesser' teams the respect he gives the big sides and one off big cup matches. Rafa can be brilliant tactically in one off games but over the course of a league campaign he has struggled. He's pretty much guaranteed a top 2-3 place in La Liga (probably top 2 most years) of course but if he doesn't win one of the big 2 trophies, he'll probably be sacked. I can't see him winning the league so it could come down to the C.L.

We all know the 3 year contract is a joke and he'll have to win 2 major trophies to last that long.

 

Can agree with some of that mate. Rafa's domestic league record is poor because his man management is avareage to below average. He can pull it off with tactics in cups but his man management lets him down over a 38 game season.

 

You know nothing lads. Lets go through player for player

Porto
K 99

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Vítor Baía - Solid keeper. Nothing spectacular and certainly not world class. Probably on the Dudek level
RB 22

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Paulo Ferreira - Yes Chelsea paid a lot of money but he is anything but world class. An average "reliable" defender. On par with Steve Finnan
CB 2

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Jorge Costa (c) - No idea who he is or what happened to him. Hyppia trounces all over him i'm afraid
CB 4

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Ricardo Carvalho - World Class. Better than Jamie Carragher
LB 8

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Nuno Valente - Average player, went to the bluenoses and couldn't hold down a spot. Maybe 1/100th better than Djimi Traore
DM 6

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Costinha - Looked alright in the CL, don't know where he disappeared to in domestic football. Xabi Alonso was world class
RM 23

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Pedro Mendes - Average player with the likes of a Allen. Couldn't hold down a spot in a spurs side brimming with mediocrity and later was at Portsmouth - Luis Garcia was a inconsistent but spectacular player. Far better than Mendes
LM 18

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Maniche - An alright solid player but again barely set the world alight after his CL win. Probably on par with Riise who was actually a quality left back
AM 10

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Deco - He was a class player and moved to Barca. Gerrard (who i don't rate) is arguably the best midfielder ever. Think Gerrard wins this one hands down
CF 19

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Carlos Alberto - Just looked at his wiki, his stats are super average and hes spent most of his career in Brazil not scoring goals. Harry Kewell although a giant flop at pool (was awesome at leeds) is a better player than him
CF 11

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Derlei - Again who the **** is Derlei. At least Milan Baros had pace and a not sure if he will be good or bad streak in him and played for the Czechs.

Thats the front 11, i will just do a quick round up on the subs

Substitutes:
GK 1Nuno - whos he?
DF 5Ricardo Costa - Whos he?
DF 17José Bosingwa - first he wasn't the player he was when he moved to chelsea. Second at chelsea he was pretty average. third he was even worse at QPR how you even rate him i dont even know
MF 3Pedro Emanuel - dunno who he is
MF 15Dmitri Alenichev - dunno
FW 9Edgaras Jankauskas - dunno
FW 77Benni McCarthy - Not a massively bad striker. His career highlights are Porto and Blackburn. Hardly a world beater.

If half of these players ever got near the likes of United, Chelsea, Real, Barca etc etc you would instantly see them as the weak link. This team is akin to the existing sides like Schalke. Good team with hard workers. No quality except for 1 or 2 players. Please let me know where i've got things wrong

 

Just to add crap teams can win tournaments. It requires a lot of hard work and a lot of luck. See Greece 2004 win in the EUROs. No one would ever have given them a chance and if you were ever to call them anything but a crap team then you're speaking out of your arse

 

With Napoli, he spent £100m to take them from second place to fifth, getting eliminated in CL qualifiers along the way.
Never mind, he won the supercopa, so his tenure was a success because he is a winner, according to Sisu.
Sure a supercopa, consecutive early CL eliminations and fifth spot will delight Los Blancos

 

Benitez and Rodgers, then, are quite similar!

 

He spent £250million at Liverpool and left them lower down the league than when he joined them. They've been suffering from him taking Liverpool out of the CL places ever since.

 

Careful, Sisu will block you

 

Fat boy was/is better than Rogers

 

Chelsea in 2012 showed this. Porto on 2004 and of course the worst side to ever win a trophy, Liverpool in 2005.

 

With all the to and fro of this debate, I think everyone agrees Rafa will most likely not do as good as Carlo has.

wtf is wong with Real He got them their first CL in donkeys.

 

Told you he would be sacked

 

You sure did.

He's all of 2 points behind Barca, that club is nuts

 

Not sacked yet, currently standing in as the party clown for a kids party.

 

They've sacked good managers for being 2 points ahead of Barca. Why is your darling Rafa so deserving of special treatment at Real?

 

Yes he is