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  1. Heed

    Heed well known cheat

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    I don't lie, deceive or cheat, well not lately anyway. But, don't fret, I'll be back to my old ways soon. <ok>
     
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  2. Seabass

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    This is a problem. Our pre season plans are shocking. Properly managed clubs treat pre season seriously and use it to get the squad ready up an running. We just seem to cobble some kind of schedule together that Charnley has cooked up coz he thinks it is good marketing. It's always a joke.
     
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  3. Lord Jonjomort

    Lord Jonjomort Well-Known Member

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    It's far worse, it's a barely-disguised marketing campaign for Sports Direct. It's literally everything we didn't want happening within 2 weeks of Mike's "new dawn" promises. For me, the appointment of McLaren/Carver plus this is enough. Supporting your team isn't about wanting them to fail, which I do, so both me and NUFC are better off apart.
     
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  4. Albert's Chip Shop

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    With fat Mike it's like pulling a stunning Thai lass.... getting her to come back to your hotel room... getting your hopes up..... then just as you slide down her underwear... out peeks a belllend.
    No matter how good the picture may look or feel rest assured we will get totally shafted by the fat man. It's his MO.
     
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    Albert - I understand that you have carried on with your Season Ticket regardless so you got over the disappointment and continued being shafted by the fat man. I am sure the question on everybody's lips is ................... did the same apply with your Thai mate?
     
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    Ashley's rhetoric before the West Ham game got exposed 9 days later.

    I won't be going up at all next season.
     
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  7. Sheikh_of_Araby

    Sheikh_of_Araby Well-Known Member

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    Ashley basically lied on international TV.
    He had a glint in his eye whilst doing it as well. That basically sums up what he thinks of Newcastle United, the city, the fans and the history of the club.
     
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    I am not happy with the length of time it takes to appoint a competant manager and will be really annoyed if it is McLaren or Carver, but I cant say that Ashley has lied until the transfer window shuts on September 1st.

    If Charnley does appoint McLaren and chooses not to back him with an excess of £30m worth of players, then I will deem him a complete liar. Truth be told, i think we need to spend a lot more.
     
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  9. Lord Jonjomort

    Lord Jonjomort Well-Known Member

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    I understand the sentiment, but it's like a girl being beaten by her thug boyfriend time and time again, yet always offering up one last chance. September 1st is too late, much too late. There's no doubt whatsoever that we will go through the same motions. What cleared it for me was the comments from Mark Douglas who said Charnley had "felt it was just a storm to ride out". I think time's a great healer and he thinks it's all ok now. He's an complete and utter pandering bell-top. Sure, I get that Ashley's got his paws all over this, but if Charnley (or Carver) had anything about them they'd just tell them to fck off. Like with the Jonas/Raylor fiasco, Carver should just be saying "I'm just not doing it, these are human beings, do it yourself". You can't tell me with their CV either would really struggle for work. See how Ashley functions with fcking nobody in charge. To be honest, he's doing enough of a sh!t job to guarantee relegation, but as I said, wishing ill of your team is not supporting, quid pro quo I'm no longer a supporter. I'll sort of give it the next few days or week, but if it's McLaren and it's taken THIS long, when Derby took on a coach from Real Madrid within days, is just beyond fcking pathetic. The club continues with silence, there's no fans forum arranged, there's nothing, just emptiness and that's precisely how I feel - empty.
     
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    Basically - The club are hoping that the storm blows over. They have miscalculated badly once again. They were hoping that the name 'Vieira' would sell tickets. Wrong. They think that McClaren will get people interested. Wrong again. They are thinking that the PR stunt from Ashley on the final day has given people hope. Bullshit. The cracks haven't even been papered over this time. It's the same old bullshit over and over again. We will appoint McClaren [or Carver], buy 4-5 players that are bang on average and then the club will make a rallying call to supporters to get behind the team. We will start the season badly and the discontent will surface immediately. The difference this time, the bad feeling is ingrained more so than in previous seasons. It will turn nasty.
     
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  11. Graham Carr's Binoculars

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    Personally I'd be happy with McClaren. His Derby team did falter at the tale end of last season but they were nowhere we he took over from Clough and he got them to a play off final that they were unlucky not to win the season before.

    He also developed Will Hughes and Jeff Hendrick well and wasn't afraid to give them game time, surely that can only be a good thing for Lascelles, Darlow, Armstrong, Kemen & Perez?

    At Middlesbrough he was defensively minded and England just came far too soon for him. However at Twente and Derby both his teams played very attacking football, too attacking in Derby's case as it was their inability to keep out goals that cost them a play off spot.

    He's a clear upgrade on both Carver and Pardew and is well know for being a great coach which is something I don't think our players have had since maybe Bobby Robson.

    It remains to be seen what we will/won't spend this summer on players, let's just wait and see.

    If it is Carver that gets appointed then yes it would be a laughable appointment but for me McClaren is a decent enough choice.
     
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    The problem is - If he is forced to work with the existing coaching staff then it's papering over the cracks. I don't want McClaren but if it is to be him there needs to be new coaching staff to work with as well.
     
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    Agreed, hopefully he can bring in his own staff. Again there have been rumours that Carver and Stone might not have jobs to come back to which would be a huge positive.

    Until McClaren is unveiled it's best to keep an open mind about his back room team. No point moaning for the sake of it.
     
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    But doesn't it strike you as astonishing that an out of work manager who was already approached - TWICE - can then take weeks to bring in, when Championship Derby Country themselves can appoint a Real Madrid coach in a matter of days?

    One could probably take a reasonable stab at why - "Whats that, Steve? You think the January offer is still valid? 'Fraid not - you're on half that now, take it or stay unemployed".
     
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  15. Beardsley's Rancid Sack

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    Can't Derby have McClaren back and we have Clement?
     
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    The worrying thing for me is the current coaching regime are most likely tied into long contracts (including Carver) and this is why I think they are taking so long. They wont want to pay them off and spend even more on new coaches.

    Thus, I think the situation with any new manager is, you come in but you use the current coaching staff and NO manager wants that. Hence the reason I think its taking so long to recruit.

    Mclaren may be unemployed but he is not stupid (Brolly aside) and he would want his own coaching staff, so I actually do not think we will get a new manager.

    The whole thing stinks rotten.

    For once the club could do some right and appoint someone who would at least create optimism. But they are slowly and surely losing this window. We are the laughing stock of football globally now and Ashley is in danger of showing the whole world what he is.
     
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  17. Albert's Chip Shop

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    Yes. He signed up to a forum as Lord Warwick and with his phallic induced trauma developed an unhealthy obsession with Satan's cock....
     
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  18. Graham Carr's Binoculars

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    I just think there's an over reaction at the moment.

    If it is McClaren (which seems the case) and he has us playing anything like he had Derby playing then we'll be seeing attacking football played on the deck which is all we've really wanted for as long as Pardew/Carver held the job.

    It's worth noting that in both of McClaren's seasons at Derby they finished higher than they had in any of the previous five years, he won Twente the title in what is essentially a two team league (PSV & Ajax). His only real failure is Wolfsburg but even he wasn't there long enough to be judged. His time at Forest was similar.

    His time with England was poor, but then so was Keegan's and we happily had him second time around. If we'd been bought out and the new owner appointment McClaren everyone would be happy. It's just the Ashley affect at the moment.
     
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  19. Sheikh_of_Araby

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    He was sacked by Wolfsburg because he had lost the dressing room and his authority was being undermined on top of the shocking performances of a side with the third highest budget in the Bundesliga. They went from top 6 to 1 point above relegation with players openly ignoring his instructions on the pitch. There were rumours of similar issues when he was manager of England and Twente [second time around.]
     
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  20. Graham Carr's Binoculars

    Graham Carr's Binoculars Well-Known Member

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    Really?

    Robson had us with 2 points from 5 games the season he got sacked after we finished 5th the season before. Was Robson's sacking justified in your opinion? I can only assume it was given we had what was probably the 4th biggest budget in the league at that time.
     
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