Is Bowyer fit for the shirt?

Cheers lancs . First you insinuate we're racists if we are happy with bowyer signing now we are all of low iq cos we debate a thread . Seems unless we agree with you our point of view does . Not matter . Question . Who moderates the moderators . Now can we get back to the point of this forum which at the end of the day is about what happens on the pitch between 1500 and 1640 (and thats not the years) . And i'm sure you'l admitt , maybe not on this forum , but in hindsight in this day and age it was a pretty stupid thread to start .

Coyb

 

Hamps, whilst I appreciate all the things you have done and continue to do, this remark is way out of line. I have been very honest about my feelings on this subject (see above) and I thought the whole principal of these forums was healthy debate. If this is not the case, and all views must remain the same, then 1) it is unhealthy, 2) it is not a fair or reasonable reflection of general consensus and 3) what is the point of asking for the views in the first place.

Your generalisation regarding our IQ (individually or collectively) is uncalled for and shows little respect for those of us that take time to support and contribute to this forum with the best of intentions.

 

I can only Apologise if my liberal views of forgiveness has offended or angered anyone.

 

After reading the thread, i have to agree with the latest posts by Rushmere and Dundee Blue - I thought the point of these forums was to (intelligently) debate the issue. Such healthy debate will lead to various opinions/views being aired. If you don't agree, then the forum gives you exactly the stage to counter and explain your view!

I dont think the moderator has had a good day at the office on this one!

At the end of the day, people make mistakes, and they pay the consequences - you then have to move on. Sometimes it is difficult to, but ultimatey you have to. Football is a team game, and we should back the team. (Even though the 11 may not be the 11 you would pick or want).

COYB!

 

You haven't offended or angered me mate.I agree with all you say.

 

nope. The thread was about whether he should have been signed in spite of his past.

Never in a million years did I expect so many people to make excuses for / defend his past actions or even question whether they happened. I find it frankly shocking. Between now and the bouquet being despatched I will have to have a real think about whether this is a community I still wish to be a part of.

And in answer to the moderation thing, I am still entitled to have an opinion and even to get angry. I haven't censored anyone's opinion from this thread whether I agree with it or not.

 

Hampy - no-one knows better than a fellow mod, what a difficult task it can be.

How can you possibly please everyone on a subject such as this? I've not seen a subject so divisive for a long, long time! You can't possibly ignore his past 'problems,' nor can you wipe the slate clean! It's probably the cause of his flawed personality that makes him such a tenacious footballer.

As you rightly point out, you've not censored anybody's post that disagrees with your viewpoint, and you've been honest in your assessment of the situation. I implore you not to relinquish your position, I can only think of one or two that could take on that mantle!

Your fellow members should stop and take stock of the situation! To those of you questioning Hampy's position, what would YOU have done under those difficult circumstances? Would you have deleted those that held an alternative view to your own?

Hampy, please don't go! Half of these silly buggers don't deserve you.

 

Hamps, hopefully if you read back through this thread you will see that at no stage have I condoned or accepted his past actions and at no point have I made any reference to your ability as a moderator. I sincerely hope this is clear to you.

What I objected to was the IQ comment. Although we are a collective in terms of this forum, our opinions are individual but your comment seemed to tar all of those who have posted with the same brush. Perhaps a more specific response (naming names) would have been better in the circumstances.

Hopefully you will agree that I have supported you and this forum well, reasonably and relatively intelligently since joining. I have no issue at all with you being the moderator (CD, please note) and I certainly wouldn't want you to step down from that post.

 

Rushmere - noted

 

Never mind its a whole new day ahead a new player in today(fingers crossed), just one thing hamps try not to assume that everyone that does not feel the same as you is wrong or bad people, i think that is when this thread got out of hand when you questioned probably my, maybe others integrity, intelligence and racial tolerance its a thorny subject that no-one can 100% for sure say "this is how it is" ,which is the main thing that i found offensive.

 

Hamps, Sorry bud but you were bang out of line with that comment yesterday. But like weighty has said today is a different day and lets just accept our differing views on a very volatile subject. We all appriciate what you do as Mod I know its a job that i wouldn't like to do.

 

This thread has understandably provoked some strong feelings around a very sensitive subject and somewhere in there I have seen mention of 'slander'. Actually it's not slander but, it could potentially be libel or defamation under law.

I don't want to be a party pooper but, do want to make sure that none of us post something that turns out to be problematic for the individual at a later date. Whist this feels like a close knit community, where we are 'amongst friends', its actually very 'public domain' and open to anyone with a browser! So my message to all of us, as posters, is do be careful about what you submit and say in the heat of the moment, as once its on the site it's 'permanent'. Banter is of course part of the fun of this site and long may it continue to be so. I'm certainly not part of the 'thought police' that want to sanitise nor censor any of us but, just want everyone to be aware that once you've hit 'reply', you've actually 'published' and there could be repercussions! Personally, I think its time to close this particular thread as some contributors could end up wishing they hadn't!

A couple of articles so you can see what I'm driving at .......

http://www.lawdit.co.uk/reading_roo...?name=../articles/Defamation on chatrooms.htm

http://m.guardian.co.uk/media/2006/mar/23/digitalmedia.law?cat=media&type=article

 

Interesting reading Tractor Tim and i agree that people need to be careful what is said, which is the main reason i wanted to put over my point of view, weather or not i managed this is another issue, again if my views angered or upset anyone that was not my intension and i apologise but i stand by my point.

 

Tim - there's nothing libelous on this thread. It is only repeating what has already been published in the national press.

No-one has insinuated that Bowyer is a Nazi, that's a whole different kettle of fish. My views are backed up by articles published in the national press.

I apologise for my comments about people's IQ. It was not directed at anyone in particular. I was extremely angry.

For the record - the owners of this board - Mick and Syd appoint the mods, we are accountable - anyone at any time has the option to 'report this post' if they wish to go above my head or to contact Syd directly (who you will find on the Sunderlad board).

 

No problem Hamps and I wasn't suggesting that anyone had actually 'crossed the line'. It was really just intended as a friendly bit of advice for all of us who contribute on this site and any other blogs etc., out there in cyber space that there is a line and it might be useful for all to just bear it in mind. I really wasn't finger pointing, just sharing something I thought was cautionary and hopefully useful. I'm certainly not looking to 'report this post'. Hope this clarifies my intent.

 

Quite enjoyed the posts ladies, handbags were most certainly out!!!

Can i just say that i would rather Bowyer than that TWAT Joey Barton everytime, now there is a prize prick if ever i saw one!!!

 

Yorkie

I hope that you will carry on with the great work your doing on our behalf as moderator This subject was always going to be completely devisive as it envokes strong opinions on both sides of the arguement.

Personally I strongly disagree with you as I think that we should give Bowyer the warm Ipswich welcome he deserves and he should be judged on what he does for us NOT what he has allegedly done in the past. Everyone deserves a chance at rehabilitation and we should give the guy a chance!

 

Glad I steered clear of this one yesterday. At the end of the day Bowyer may or may not be a racist. He also may or may not have been a racist. People do some stupid stuff when they are young but most mature and learn from their mistakes. He may have been racist when he was younger but has grown more tolerant and changed his views. It can all depend on who you hang out with at the time, your peers so to speak. I'm sure nobody on here can say that they feel exactly the same way about everything in the world as they did say 10 or 20 years ago. Peoples opinions on things change as we get older, the music we like, women, cars etc so it's not wrong to assume people can change over time. Of course there are always exceptions to this.

 

Let's not open that can of worms JWM

There is pretty much a 50/50 split of opinion down the middle with about 15% positively unhappy about the signing. If you take a 20,000 gate that's 3,000 people who don't want to see him in the shirt and another 7,000 who have mixed feelings. If he does well on the pitch I reckon he'll be OK, if not I think people will turn on him rather quickly ...

 

Well Yorkie I think I speak for the majority of us when I say that we want you to continue as the moderator of our board. Feck me we haven't even started the bloody season yet! If we all have a major falling out let it be over something like arguing about who scored the winner against West Ham!