I consider this to be the best forum argument of this generation / PL era. Does that mean Treble and Watford_R are overrated?!?
May I remind you you have posters by the name of Matth and, erm, that French bloke whose name I've forgotten.
Matth is vastly underrated. If he were ranting wildly and calling people tw(a)tfish on a Barcelona forum then he might get the respect he deserves
Terry was carried by Carvalho. Before he learned to read the game, he was constantly being saved by the Portugese. His style is outdated. Rarely uses outside of England and while the blood and thunder approach works, as you saw with Gerrard and Scholes, technique and intelligence are bigger attributes. Players like Terry are why England are miles behind. Its not his fault though. Tye public demand this outdated kind of player, managers believe its the English way etc. Everyone then complains when we do **** all in any competition.
Not really otherwise you and many others wouldnt rip the piss out of Matth all the time. A bit of depth or higher order thinking to your opinion usually helps. Your contribution to a thread about Rio Ferdinand is that he was overrated and an embarrassment. And your reasoning is bcos ppl may believe him to be the best cb in the pl era while you claim Terry is the best cb in the pl era - while also failing to see the irony in that. Yeh it's your opinion but it's a nothing contribution. If I said the same on a thread about Terry without actually acknowledging he is one of the best cb's to have played the game, I'd be equally derided... and rightly so.
Lazy to label Terry as another Terry Butcher. He can play a pass as well as most midfielders. I don't like the bloke one bit but with all the billions spent he's been in that team winning things for a decade and more.
Ok.. would you rather I said I thought the attributes Terry is said to lack are exaggerated and that he is/was, for me, a more complete defender. He can do the ugly stuff brilliantly but when required is very capable of playing in a more 'Rio-esque' fashion.
Not really a reason to consider him the best. Hes never done anything Rio-esque. Hes great at throwing himself in front of a shot though.
Terry is a great tackler, great header, great reader of the game, great passer oh and scored 50 odd goals. Pretty much the full package. That's why he is the best Prrm defender ever.
Give you tackler though as stated, that means you have already ****ed up and his heading is good too. His passing isn't a patch on Rio nor was his ability to read the game. Rio rarely needed to tackle because the attacker didnt get past him thus the defence was under less pressure. Theres a stat that Rio went 40 games without conceding a foul. That is mental. A striker going that long would be something in itself but a defender. Incredible.
Terry has played every game this season so presumably at 35 has managed to avoid more than four yellows in 38 games. Not shabby.
Not bad but you dont get booked for every foul. Rio didnt give a foul away for 40 games. Not one freekick against. Both are impressive.
This is true, and five years ago there wouldn't even be a comparison between the two imo. But to be fair to Terry he has continued playing at the highest level, and has arguably improve on areas of his game over the past few years, whilst Rio has definitely declined with age. Rio was always more talented and naturally gifted, but Terry epitomises a more limited player who has learned to address his weaknesses and build on his strengths, something Rio didn't manage for much of his career with a regular propensity to the occasional lapse in concentration. Hard to call between either of them, but ultimately it will always come down to personal preference and / or club bias imo.
Terry went 11 months without being booked in Prem, only booked twice this season. iRio went even longer without getting a yellow (not not conceding a foul). Playing under Saffa had nothing to do with it, of course. #fergiepowa
Great argument, nice to see a change from the Gerrard, Lampard, Scholes pointless debate. We need to put Carra in as the 3rd man just for continuity.
Terry is actually a very good passer of the ball, very underrated attribute of his. The reason Terry is lauded as a top defender is that Chelsea play to his strengths by defending deep and using pacy full backs who don't venture too far forward leaving him exposed. When AVB came to the club he changed the mentality and asked for a higher defensive line which left Terry vulnerable. Since Jose has come back to the club and gone back to a deep defensive line with covering full backs then Terry has once again thrived
A bit like Rio crumbling into dust around the age of 33. You could argue Terry has adapted his game to be unquestionably the best centre-half in the league all season, a bit like how Giggs and Scholes did.
