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The Breakfast Debate

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  1. Whitejock

    Whitejock Well-Known Member

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    I hear a lot here about Head having a right to go on holiday. And he did. But what about Cellino having the right to say no? No-one going to defend that, or is he not allowed to make up his own mind?

    Pearson? Don't know much about him, but many on here seem to think he's a man of principle. He possibly is, but I would have expected a man of principle to walk if he has indeed been humiliated by Cellino, as many on here suggest. Or did he think that Cellino may have a point .....?
     
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  2. kiwi

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    Cellino does have the right to say no, I agree. But he's clearly tasked Pearson with finding the right man - Pearson has found the man he wants, offered him a contract, agreed terms, cleared his holiday schedule etc, only for Cellino to turn around and decide he doesn't want him - what kind of precedent does that set Pearson? Will he be happy to work for a man who clearly doesn't value his opinion or input? He may well walk yet, and if he does I have a horrible feeling we're going to regret it.

    With all due respect, if Cellino is going to delegate tasks, such as finding a Head of Recruitment, he needs to trust the opinion of the man he's delegating the task to. Otherwise he'll continue to undermine his employees.
     
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  3. Whitejock

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    Your post is based on HUGE assumtion. You have no idea what his mandate was, or what was agreed. Head was offered a dream job. Anyone with a soupcon of ambition would have packed the family off and rolled up his sleeves. There's a lot of work in setting up your own department in a high profile organisation. Now id we were offering him a job as a barman, you all might have a point. But not Head of Recruitment, FFS.
     
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  4. kiwi

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    You're right, I don't know for certain what Pearson's mandate was. It does seem to be common knowledge that Pearson recommended/identified Head as a perfect candidate for the role though, so clearly Cellino had taken initially either asked for Pearson's opinions or tasked him with finding suitable candidates.

    'Head was offered his dream job'. Now if that's not a HUGE assumption, I don't know what is. For all we know he was offered £100 a week, and his dream job could be the manager of Barrow football club. We don't know anything about his dream job.
    'Anyone with a soupcon of ambition would have packed the family off and rolled up his sleeves'. Why? He had taken the holiday which Pearson had evidently cleared, and was already away when Cellino enquired as to his whereabouts. If you're starting a new job - whether you're a CEO or a barman - the employers will ask when you're available to start work and if you have any upcoming periods where you will be away. Head had booked that holiday in advance, and had presumably had that OK'd by Pearson. Now Cellino does have the right to tear up that contract, I agree, but why would Head cancel his holiday or 'pack the family off' if it had already been deemed acceptable? Blame Pearson for telling him it was okay to go on holiday, but you can't blame Head for taking it when he was told it was acceptable.

    The funniest thing is that Head will be back tomorrow and (would have been) working by next week. I wonder if we'll have appointed another Head of Recruitment by Monday? <doh>
     
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  5. Chippy / Glory

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    Cellino has been on the case since Tuesday. God knows what ****e we will see him sign (again).
     
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  6. Whitejock

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    OK, so I'm biased. Working at ER would be my dream job - even as a barman! Is it not safe to assume it would be everyone's dream job? <whistle>

    Joking apart, I would have steamed right into that job if I was him - bugger the holiday.

    And btw, haven't we all assumed that it's a week's holiday he's taken?
     
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  7. kiwi

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    And that's totally fair enough, I'm sure it's a terrific job for him and one I'm sure he's honoured to have been offered, but you can't blame him for putting his family first. He is a human being. If this was in any situation other than football nobody would raise an eyebrow at him taking the holiday first.

    I thought I read somewhere it was only a week - I may very well be mistaken on this though. Would make sense, seeing as it's half term for a week, but I don't know that for sure. The fact is that Cellino's torn up the contract not because Head isn't the right man, but because he can't start right now - I'm prepared to go out on a limb and say we won't have a head of recruitment in place by the time Head returns from holiday. We're wasting time either way, so why not wait to get the first choice, the right man for the job?
     
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  8. Chippy / Glory

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    Head is on gardening leave from Norwich?
    If that's true then we would have to pay them compensation.
    That might have more bearing on why Cellino spat his dummy.
     
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  9. Leedsoflondon

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    WJ. Fair play fella. It's all our dream job on here. But Head probably isn't a Leeds fan and has worked at Reading, Norwich etc. Like a player this just a job to him. One he thought he was starting when he gets back. Of course it's Cellino's right to withdraw his contract. Like others it smacks to me of him not letting go of any control, the next we hear is he is in talks with the Celtic bloke, not the person he employed to put the structure in place. It's his club so he has the right to do as he pleases but it's yours and every other fan of Leeds United aspirations he messes about with when he trests the club like a prize toy. He needs to start making us look like a professional set up.
     
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  10. ristac

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    Job Title - Head of Leeds United Recruitment

    Job Description - Go and sign a list of players given to you by Cellino. If they want too much money move to next in list.
     
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  11. BillysStatue

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    Head does not do the contract negotiations, that's down to Pearson and Cellino ... Head simply recommends players to the club ... the only games for him to scout are the Chumps Lge and the FcukUp, and who exactly are we going to sign from these games? Cellino is a cnut, and he neeeds to fcuk off and quickly ... every little drama like this further tarnishes our club and makes more and more players and staff reluctant to join us ... how many top scouts have decided against Leeds after the Head fiasco?


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  12. Josh-LUFC

    Josh-LUFC Well-Known Member

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    I thought head of recruitment and scout were quite different titles.

    The only point I was really making in regards to this is that Pearson had only really put his name forward to Cellino saying this is who I want as head of recruitment. When it came to Cellino signing off on it he decided he didn't want to, this is the reason that is in all the papers. It seems to me that he was infact never employed by Leeds in the first place and calling it a sacking is harsh on the club.
     
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  13. kiwi

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    Sacking or not, he's completely undermined Pearson.

    Head of Recruitment and scout may have slight differences, but from what I can gather he was suggested by Pearson because of his extensive European scouting experience. He won't have anything to do with player contracts (Cellino would never allow that to happen) so what else would he be doing? He may make initial contact with players and their agents but even then I think that's unlikely. I think Head of Recruitment is just a fancy term for chief scout.
     
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  14. ellandback

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    Or a barmaid in a little pink number and a blonde wig....<laugh>
     
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  15. Whitejock

    Whitejock Well-Known Member

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    <yikes><yikes><yikes> Remind me to miss any meetup you're at! :D
     
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  16. leeds60

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    Well we will differ then
     
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