Off Topic You can't only blame Brendan Rodgers for Liverpool's bad signings...

But he waited until Sunday to proof a point?

 

But not as much as it should be. Read most interviews with pundits and other media outlets, they all blame the recruitment.

Rodgers has gotten away with so much, it's unbelievable.

 

Surely if you are entrusting a manager/coach, to pick the team, then set them up playing the tactics he needs them to play, then you have to entrust HIM and no one else to pick the players he feels will best complement the squad in the areas he thinks need improving.
Okay you have all these general football managers, directors of football etc yada yada, but do they see the players train everyday? Do they know, inside and out, the strengths and weakenesses in the current squad and which players would most benefit the squad.

Any douche bag with eyes can look at a player, playing well, and think "Yeah he looks very good", but would that player flourish in the existing team, is he on the same wave length as the manager, can or will he do what the manager requires of him, with the players around him that he will have at our club?
This is why the manager MUST be the sole voice in identifying players. Sure, if another member of the staff, in whatever role, sees a player he thinks will complement the team, by all means bring him to the managers attention "Here, look at this guy in action and see what you think", but the best way to recruit is for the manager to recognise what is needed (as he is best placed to do so), identify the player that can best fulfil that need, and then say to the money men "I want him, try make it happen"
by all means identify more than one player in order of preference "Ok I want him, if thats not possible, then go for him" but the manager is best placed to do this and no one will ever convince me otherwise.

I mean, the **** is a committee going to do to help? Unless they know the squad in and out like the manager does (or should), and if they do know the squad in and out like the manager, then why do they? And who the **** is doing their job whilst they are watching the players train all day?

 

except bod... i don't think mourinho gets such a pick either

anchelotti nor guardiola nor enrique got a pick either imo.

 

i'll pretend to be a fanboy later i nthe month just for you

 

I aint saying he does, all the time, everyone knows the story with the whole Shevchenko fiasco, we saw how well that all turned out.
What I am saying is that this is how it SHOULD work, at all clubs.

 

None of the big managers get to pick. Only Wenger has such autonomy.

Simply, it's the role they accept. Whilst it seems alien to the UK, it's common practice around Europe. Managers don't have time to scout players, and nothing suggest managers themselves know how to pick players. That's why they have specialists to do it for them.

 

Thats what scouts are for, they find a player, record him playing and send it to the manager.

If a manager cannot successfully pick a player that he thinks will complement his squad, then he is truly an epic ****ing fail as a manager, no question.

 

Or what if a manager can't use the resources he has? What if he can't develop them and mould them? Is he also a failure?

We won't agree on this - but as I say, the roles of managers differs in England to Europe. Whilst you're used to one particular way, the rest of Europe operate in another and more successful way. Including Chelsea.

 

The whole purpose of having the DoF and committee structure is so that there is consistency throughout the club and over many years.

If you bring in a manager who wants his own targets, then the profile of player will change with each manager. But giving control to the DoF and committee, you can be assured that the profile of player remains consistent regardless of which manager comes in.

 

In that role, yes, of course, without question.
He tried to do something, and failed. Thats what Failure is.

 

I think a lot of the stick the committee gets is just because it's labelled itself 'committee'. A head of recruitment, analysis/stats man, managing director and manager must surely work it all out at every club. One identifies targets, one sees what the stats on the target look like, one okays or denies the spend [Ayre] and one's the manager. What club's aren't employing those 4 types of people?

 

Agreed.
I guess it all depends on who has the final say then.
If its the manager, then there isn't really a problem.
I suppose the money men have to identify whether the signing is feasible budget wise, but provided it is, then imo the manager should be one to yay or nay it.

 

Most clubs have a committee. We were just stupid enough to give it a label and publicly announce it.

 

"I was not hired as manager to watch this club suffer and die while you discuss these signings in a committee ittee ittee!!

 

I think it was Ayre trying to explain why we didn't need a DoF after Comolli left

 

Another reason, and BR's situation is a perfect current example of this point.....
but who does the buck stop at when the signings dont work and results go to ****?
Its the manager who is going to get sacked, not the general manager of ****ery or whatever other positions there are on this committee.
If BR is going to be the lightning rod, even more of a reason why he should be the one who gets to pick.

 

Does one person have the final say, all the time? All departments I mentioned have to agree on possible targets in order to decide on whether to pursue or not. It would only need the manager's choice should there be let's say 3 suitable available targets for one position and he decides which he wants, otherwise they're all in agreement with the prospective target and further the negotiations or whatever. How often there's multiple choices for one position that needs the managers sole decision is anybody's guess.

 

I am against DOF for Liverpool because of their track records.

 

This is the problem Liverpool have. At the moment, it's a mix of two methods.

Rodgers took the job on wanting complete control and had it. Then he struggled and the committee were brought in and they had full control.

Then Rodgers finished 2nd and negotiated more control as part of his new contract.

FSG simply need to go back to the original structure they wanted and stick with it. They also need to hire a manager who will be happy working the structure.