Match Day Thread Premier League Final Day

no chance.

now when the committee at lfc are people of lesser power in theory than the manager but elevated to greater say and costing him his job.

At barca or bayern or juve the guys making the call are the guys who hire the manager. At lfc the manager should nearly be hiring the guys making the calls... its arseabout face

Our club is an shambles form the top down and a whole root and branch change is needed.

We need to start at the very top with FSG.

1. do tye want to run the club or sell?

2. Whats the club aims, facilities, stadium, etc etc. 54k is not enough. 58k is not enough. do they have a goal over next ten years to get to 65k or 70k? Don't thinks so. what about melwood, kirby? etc etc

3. Whats the best structure globally? why did FSG "give up" trying to put it in place and appoint ayre as a MD then called him CEO? cost?

4. Whats the best footballing strucutre, DoF, technical director whatever...

5. Whats the best wage strucutre to have?

6. wheres the academy recruitment gone? why frees of spurs and not purchases like stelring and ibe...


and the list goes on and on.

when you get down to rodgers level its all about discipline and tactical ability.

we cannot drop a manager in and not fix the rest or my prediction will be in 3 years time the exact same debate will occur.

 

de boaer... come and get me two years running sugggest ego a plenty. for example

 

Hatchet men... good question this.

For me.... it was quite clear last year certain men didn't give a toss about utd under moyes (vidic, frdinand, giggs rooney) and at cheslea under di matteo and others you could see lampard, drogba and terry all having big hand in sackings by just not trying hard.

LFC.... My view is this

Despite what gerrard said about the guy he's not exactly tried all that hard IMO. He's gone out and got his goals personally but he's not led these players nor really put it where it mattered. I've not seem him trudge off battered and borken at any point. A different garrard would have put it all on the line. Perhaps he was broken last year... but his comments when he broke his la galaxy stuff said a lot.

Sterling has certainly not played for him for at least 3 months. He's deliberately not put himself in harms way or tried to show what he could do by running at real dangerous areas.

Lucas has given up. yesterday he was blown off it. rodgers has dropped him a few times and i think his hearts not in it

Balotelli has been self inflicted by rodgers (and the committee) while on social media he mouths off on the pitch he's not tried all that much and had had his head down. he's mystery illnesses show that whenever rodgers dropped him he sulked and he is a real bad apple

johnson has known for the whole year he is off. He actually tried a little bit recently but again not all that much and played left full.. again not exactly steller.


So while i don't think necessarily there is a cabal of players actively anit rodgers working against him i jsut feel there are a lot of guys floating along with thier heads down assuming his time is up and minding themselves

I just feel a lot of it is individual and like say lovern.. i'm gonna do this to prove i can defend etc

all players need do is not put in that extra little bit like you say stoke players doing yesterday.. stoke were 9th... mid table thats all but have been racking along well for last period and they all worked had.

 

But a man who has achieved a lot both as a player and manager, it's warranted.

But when I say ego, I meant more along the lines of Rodgers having constant digs at the committee throughout the season.

What we need is a cohesive unit headed by a DOF.

 

Absolute ****ing disgrace. I really don't know what else to say.

 

I missed the game yesterday and I daren't read the previous pages!

 

Normally you'd say the established players, but every time Gerrard has spoken he couldn't speak highly enough of him.

I actually think it's the other way, I think it's the younger/fringe players who think they should be playing ahead of others.

Players like Lucas/Manquillo/Can who aren't being played in the right position or at all instead having others playing their role who aren't as good (Gerrard at DM, Can at RB instead of Manquillo, and any midfielder ahead of Can) as well as someone like Sterling who thinks he's too good for us now. I thnk Rodgers has his favourites no doubt and it probably grates on the others.

I don't think a new manager would "help" keep Sterling as he's crossed the line and there is no return now but it will give everyone a fresh chance and get a bit of belief back.

Something has to have happened as after going 13 unbeaten, we've picked up 8 points from the final 8/9 games? That's not just bad form as we've looked pants in every one of them as well, it's almost like people have lost faith or don't believe in what Rodgers is doing on the training field.

 

The whole rebuilding thing with a new manager doesn't have to take time.

That's why as a club you have an identity and you hire managers who have the same identity and can progress rather than rip up the last 3/4/5 years and start all over again.

Many teams have done it, Saints to a degree with Pochetino/Koeman and Swansea are a brilliant example of it.

Started with Sousa, then got Martinez who although not identical played in a similar fashion followed by Rodgers, Laudrup and now Monk.

They have a way they want to play the game and only hire managers with a similar philosophy. That way, the players that meet that criteria can stay at the club and can be improved on over time, rather than having to sell half the squad and bring in a new one.

As Jimmy says, a DOF would help that as they would only buy players that meet that criteria and the manager should then be able to use them properly

 

Were there any half decent performances from our lads?

 

So it took a result like yesterday for most to now take notice and cut through the distraction of Gerrard and Sterling.

 

The fact that we aint going to increase the ground capacity by a substantial amount indicates to me FSG aren't here for the long haul.

 

There are some planning challenges to going higher but it seems to me we are doing it all out of current lfc revenues.

54k first.. then MAYBE 58k if it works out and then there's no plan.

there is an issue at the anfield area with getting people in and out and the planning specifically maxed at 60k for the sake of not having a rail link.

LFC should have a plan for getting the council and investment to open that rail link. until that occurs a third tier on the centenary stand which would hadd another 5-7k will not happen and the filling in of dead corners will not occur.

Image if anfield simply filled in the bloody corners with seats. you'd add another 5k seats right there...

its not rocket science to do this stuff but i do wonder.

 

no not one.

mingolet let in one between his hands and plamed first out in front.

Can was absolutely destroyed

Skertl and sahko were very poor.

allen and lucas at CM were woefully poor and blown away.

moreno less said the better

Nobody at all played well.

lallana was stuck up fornt v shawcross and that was amazing... he did try.. but f me that was thick..

 

Thought Sakho was our best defender by far (not saying a lot I know) but the guy's a solid CB

Lallana at least tried to create with little support around him for the most part. Should of had that pen. awarded aswell

 

Top predictions as per.

#clownshoes

 

A 'solid CB' at the heart of a back line that shipped 6 at ****ing Stoke?

 

You would have Sakho at Goodison in a heartbeat given the chance Tobes

 

I've seen him at Goodison and he was like Bambi on ice.

I thought Traore had made a come back

 

To be honest I don't see how being involved in 1 poor team performance means a centre back isn't a solid defender.

Ramos & Pique conceded 5 against the Netherlands in the World cup.

Koscielny conceded 8 at Old Trafford.

Could go on but sure people get the point.

 

Tobes is just trying to make hay while the sun shines,eh Tobes