Match Day Thread Premier League Final Day

Seriously, who do you see as the hatchet men. Most teams have players with a big influence over others, do you see it as a clique thing or just a general loss of faith.

Edit......should have thrown Giggs in with Evra and Rio.

 

Well, Sterling obviously. The players with the most influence would presumably be the most senior players, which would be Gerrard, Johnson and Skrtel, and to an extent Lucas. Henderson is vice-captain, and Sakho and Can also seem to be quite leader-y type figures (probably more than Hendo). Can't really see it being Hendo, Skrtel or Lucas. Gerrard and Johnson maybe, maybe not. Sakho, Can and Lovren maybe, maybe not. Borini I would imagine is royally annoyed at not getting game time, even if he hasn't done much to deserve it. I'm basically just chucking names out It may well be a general loss of faith. At the end of the day, the senior players that were there at the start will pretty much all be gone by the start of next season (Gerrard, Carragher, Reina, Johnson, Agger). You would hope that Rodgers would then have a team that wants to play for him. With a couple of notable exceptions, that hasn't really been the case this season.

Even Rodgers himself has seemed a bit more defeatist and under pressure the last few weeks. I get the feeling that if FSG can find a decent replacement, he may well be gone.They'll certainly want an explanation.

 

If it`s a general thing then maybe there is word inside the club that he is gone?

Today`s interview changed from "the best man for the job" to "still have a lot to offer".

 

That's what the rumours are, but I don't think there's been anything more than speculation so far. RHC's mate reckoned he was safe a few weeks ago unless we lost all our games (based on what someone from FSG said), which appears to be about the most reliable information we have, but our form's been awful since then, so he may well be under pressure. They sacked Kenny for achieving more. The only thing keeping him going is that we finished second last year, but right now the atmosphere around the club is not good, there doesn't really seem to be stong leadership at Anfield and there's no real clear vision of where we're going. The whole Gerrard situation has surely been a burden, and if Rodgers does stay, then it'll be interesting to see how he copes next season without that, without the first-season-without-Suarez-syndrome and with the new (and mostly young, remember) players having had more time to bed in. But will FSG entrust much more money on a pruchasing structure that last summer provided poor value-for-money (so far at least)?

 

If FSG do get rid,they will basically be saying 'we got it wrong' and we move on to the next guy.

They will definitely be mulling this over right now.

 

To be fair he has had a lot of **** to deal with off the field in the last two years. If he stays I think he may be given a limited budget and told to sort the striking department out, he has already spent millions on defence and midfield and could be told to make use of the players he bought there.

 

Having Henderson as captain next season doesn't fill me with confidence,he's just another average player who we have settled for.

 

He has his attributes. But he's not the main man nor never will be. him being captain and swanning round taking frees and corners is symptomatic of rodgers lack of experience and discipline.

 

I can see this being the start of another 5 year rebuild for Liverpool. Will you be able to progress if you have another year like last season though or will it be a repeat of the cycle?

Incidentally, the scouse.Boom Bust cycle was spot on this season. It pre dates all graphs and statistics. If only astro had asked

 

Not sure why everyone assumes that bringing new managers instantly means long rebuilding periods.

Allegri won the title in his first season. Enrique did the same, as did De Boer. Difference is, these clubs operate under DOF structure which is these transition periods are minimal because there is little deviation from the overall philosophy.

 

Theres a lot change ahead for you guys and it will take quite a while to correct. You're not in a good position and far worse than we were after Fergie left.

I may be wrong but would you or any pool fans believe it will be anything but?

 

I agree.

Reality check jimmy. the playing staff is not good.

If we put in klopp he'd have to bring at least 5 top top players to the club over night to transform us... Why? cos i don't think 4th is a prize. if you are talking about scraping up to 4th then fine just get a manager and a couple of bodies in and play like spurs. we will fail though in the end.

LFC have a midtable squad really.

 

finally.

c'mon please jimmy come on.

Allegri is at juve with vidal, pogba et all. thats not a club in tatters is it?

Enrique at barca... ehh.. c'omn. the addition of two players to a top top side meant is again was not a big job.

De Boer??? thats a **** league with two horses in it and frankly he's not exactly set it a blaze this year.

to just say oh its cos they have DoFs is a total falicy... the fact is its not just DoF its the standards applied. juve relegated themselves. Dortmund bankrupted themselves. Of course they can fing well get it wrong...

nobody is stepping into LFC and not having a long period of rebuilding.

 

Depends - in terms of short term success, that is CL qualification and I genuinely believe we're not that far off IF we get a quality manager in. That is certainly achievable next season.

Long term success ie title, yes that will take a few years.

 

Ajax hadn't won the league in 7 years prior to De Boer arriving at the club.

But the point I'm making is that new managers coming mm doesn't mean that the club completely regressing and sets them back.

Rafa won the CL in his first season. Houllier won the treble within 2-3 years.

 

Think the thing is with managers like Klopp, De Boer, Allegri, Enrique etc a rebuilding process would be easier.

They know the game in other countries so know where to look for players without paying the over inflated Prem prices.

They would also bring a bigger name recognition. Sanchez last summer must have been thinking who do I want to play for, Wenger a well respect manager who has won league titles or this Brendan Rodgers some guy I've never heard of. So instead of a Lallana we land a Sanchez.

 

LFc have never regressed much when we fially end up changing our managers who get 2 years too long.

We regress while they are in situ. My point is 2nd is not our deserved place. 6th to 8th is our actual level and we are bang on it with rodgers.

Appoint a new man who might actually sort out how to defend etc etc and we might suceed.

finally.

Houllier in first year. 7th.... poor showing. 2/3 years = building a side... ie transition! FFS

Rafa.. 2005... jeez... if you can't see the huge massive slice of luck that came our way in that season... well... 58 points and 5th... everton were 4th on 61... and who were 6th and 7th bolotn and middlesboro... thats not exaly competitve is it.

That was an amazing journy but a reality check is needed here again.

We scraped through our group. having to win the last game 3-1 by virtue of gifting olypiakos a 1-0 win at thier place.

We then beat leverkusen... defending like hell v juve, defended like hell v cheslea and then miraculously scraped to pens in final.

It was a gift from god to be enjoyed BUT NOT rewritten as a good year.

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We are not going to turn ourselves round with just a manager change... the squad is vastly over rated.

 

that is a fair point.

anyone who can come in with a list of players they know who are quality and want to play for them... or at least a big name to bring in targets is an advantage.

But its not going to get us up there on its own.

the time was last year with 120mil moeny etc... the squad has that spend lumpbered on it now and 2nd was not built on. ergo... a lot of dead wood to get shut of and a lot of work to do to compete.

As i've said I expect us to be chasing city for 4th not utd... so you lads need to realise that we are a long long way off given how good city are.

 

but also, these managers are who used to working with committees. There will be no power struggles, egos or political games which Rodgers has engaged in.