Off Topic Theresa May - End of Dissent

Watch this intervew, BBC interview with Theresa May on these new "anti extremism" laws.
Creepy, anyone who "undermines british values" is an extremist.
Listen to her complete sloganism and avoidance of answering any question regarding what actually constitutes extremism.

The words and slogans she uses, sounded much more lyrical in the original German 7 decades ago.

Given Cameron already classified anyone who questions government lines on things like 9\11 ect are "extremists", he said this in front of the UN, "they are as bad as ISIS". "non violent extremism" So you see, extremism encompasses a wide variety of dissent, not just radicalising people.

Though Katie Hopkins can call peoples rodents and coackroaches and it's all good.

Anyone who has talked about that stuff online will henceforward have to apply to police to be able to use twitter or set up a website. Any critical views on UK wars ditto. Any unwelcome questions to government also "extremism".


This leads down a road, a dark road to "any" dissent of government as "extremist" any political reform efforts as "extremist"

And wtf is "british values" anyway?
Theresa May BBC interview, ****ing creepy
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02r8z20

 

May asked to define extremism in new counter-extremism bill
Theresa May said the government's counter-extremism strategy is designed to combat people who are "seeking to divide us".
The home secretary said that "we are one nation" but some people want to divide us into "them and us".
She claims the measures will be part of a bigger picture which would include a strategy to "promote British values" - which, she says, include tolerance and respect for different faiths.
"Nobody is suggesting that different views cannot be expressed but one reason for looking at extremism in this way, is the path down which it can lead people", she adds.
David Cameron is to set out a string of new powers to tackle radicalisation, saying the UK has been a "passively tolerant society" for too long.
The PM will tell the National Security Council a counter-extremism bill will be in the Queen's Speech on 27 May.

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Hmmm.... time to become actively tolerant then, is it?

Haven't got time to listen to the interview now, but the government will need to be careful here.

 

Theresa is a Christian name.This is a Christian country. Last time Theresa went to church...so she can be accused of undermining
British value if she does not go to Church regularly.

 

Pretty sure she's jewish mate, not that, that matters.

British values = democracy, rule of law, individual liberty and tolerance.

What May is saying is pure bollox. Why is it that for decades the reason we never banned the likes of the BNP was bcos "it would drive them underground" and "it's best to beat them with their own ignorance", yet now we somehow DO need to ban it? Strange that aint it?

I believe you can only beat extremism by arguing against the ignorance it's built upon and winning the argument and changing ideology. Our politicians arent really interested in beating extremism. This is ALL about a different agenda.

 

This has been coming for a while,
We were warned about the concepts of Newspeak and thoughtcrime as early as the late forties yet they have been creeping in more and more ever since then.

 

Been asking for a while but sisu is pretending to ignore me so has anyone got a link to this as it sounds hilarious yet very scary?

 

detestable woman

 

Yes some people do - the members of the cabinet in which she serves for starters

 

You are kidding me right? You think those things are "british values"?
Lets break them down shall we
"Democracy" yet you back the overthrowing of the "democratically" elected Ukrainian government, UK does not support democracy in any country not alligned to its interests. Torys run the country and only got 30% of the vote?
"Rule of Law" Bankers get caught rigging rates, laundering money, no one does jail. You avoid tax of a few k and off to prison you go.
"Individual Liberty" GCHQ? CPS? and 1400 cases of ****s in entertainment and government, none of which have been prosecuted. Everything you do is monitored. How is that liberty? It's obvious who enjoys liberities and it aint you.
"Tolerance" ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME! Intollerant of immigrants, muslims, blacks, poor, asylum seekers and anyone else for that matter by the "state", you are kidding right

Nothing you listed there are "British values" but are elements of human decency, of which the British establishment retains NONE.

Only a complete nationalistic idiot would think there is any such thing as "british values"


As for your extremism argument, take a look at the Patriot act, used to attack and harrass any opponent of the corrupt war making system. The patriot act targeted Americans not anyone else/

British people have values, there are no such thing as British values, it is nothing but nationalistic speech, propaganda. Hitler used the exact same arguments, EXACT same arguments to bring in new laws

FYI democracy was a greek idea it is not a British value.

 

Don't be so ridiculous Sisu of course certain attributes can be described as British values, or Spanish values, or Italian values etc based on cultural leanings towards certain ways of thinking or key things people in those countries hold dear. Such as the French and there whole "freedom of speech" stuff.

There is a difference between the culture and expectations of the people in a country and the actions of it's government.

 

So you mean stereotypes? Which are hardly ever accurate and never representative of the entire population.

 

Amazing how people who own the newspapers and the media trumpet freedom of speech, but if anyone who even marginally disagrees with them dare take a placard onto the street they're somehow anarchist scum. See Charlotte Church, for example.

 

To be fair if you are going to protest about austerity a day or so after everybody had a chance to vote and a party that supports austerity has just won a majority it should hardly be surprising that she would be portrayed in that manner. I'm not saying it's right, just that the timing was always going to be a seller due to the levels of outrage that can be tapped into so easily in this country.

Anyway she should have had a better placard as 'I'm mad as hell, I'm not going to take it anymore' is just not catchy enough and clearly wrong as unless she leaves the country she is going to take it some more

 

Culture has nothing to do with values, values are ethical and moral. Sheesh man Never mind the fact that the UK is made up of many macrocultures like. So there is no core set of "cultural values" unless Theresa May means "White British Values"?


There are people in Spain who hold the same values as people in Britain, or Italy or Brazil. There are "cultural" differences but the values remain the same.

Values have absolutely nothing to do with Nationalism, "British Values" is nothing but weaponising an idea, just like the Nazis and many others have done in the past.

Nationalism is only destructive, only useful to manipulate people, it's a tool and always has been, usually used to either get people to back\go die in war or give up their civil liberities

 

Oh look an Irish Finn lecturing us on what we stand for as a Nation and what our core values aren't.

 

True especially British population which has many cultures. But they have nothing to do with values anyway. Ethics and morals vary from person to person and as a result their values vary too. Then there are those that will maintain their values because of strong sense of principle and others will not.

 

Of course there is a link between culture and values, otherwise why do organisations try to develop a culture based upon specific values.

You seem to love invoking Godwin's law don't you.

 

Theresa May's plan to censor TV shows condemned by Tory cabinet colleague
Exclusive: Former culture secretary Sajid Javid told prime minister he was unable to support home secretary’s proposal as it infringed free speech

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Sajid Javid: feared ‘a fundamental shift in the way UK broadcasting is regulated’. Photograph: Anadolu Agency/Getty Images
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A plan by the home secretary to introduce counter-extremism powers to vet British broadcasters’ programmes before they are transmitted has been attacked in the bluntest terms as a threat to freedom of speech by one of her own Conservative cabinet colleagues, the Guardian has learned.
Sajid Javid wrote to David Cameron to say that, as culture secretary, he was unable to support Theresa May’s proposal to give Ofcom the new powers to take pre-emptive action against programmes that included “extremist content”, in a letter sent just before the start of the general election campaign.
Javid, who moved from the Department of Culture, Media and Sport to become business secretary after the election, said the plan would move Ofcom from a regulator “into the role of a censor”. It would involve “a fundamental shift in the way UK broadcasting is regulated”, moving away from the current framework of post-transmission regulation which takes account of freedom of expression, he said.

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The leaked memo from the then culture secretary came in response to a request made by May on 6 March to ministers on the cabinet’s home affairs committee and the national security committee. She was seeking clearance for publication of her extremism strategy, which included the broadcasters’ censorship proposal.

In Javid’s letter, dated 12 March, the minister voiced his concern about the risk that the revived censorship proposal would be used “otherwise than intended, not least given the difficulty of defining extremism, and the consequent likelihood of the government being seen to be interfering with freedom of speech without sufficient justification”.
Javid even went as far as adding: “It should be noted that other countries with a pre-transmission regulatory regime are not known for their compliance with rights relating to freedom of expression and government may not wish to be associated with such regimes.”
Objections from Javid and to a lesser extent from other senior Conservative cabinet ministers, including Eric Pickles, Theresa Villiers, Nicky Morgan and Chris Grayling, prevented the home secretary from publishing her extremism strategy, A Stronger Britain, before the election. The Javid leak undermines claims that it was the Lib Dems alone who blocked May’s extremism strategy in the coalition.
Last week’s Downing Street statement also confirmed there will be legislation to introduce new banning orders for extremist organisations, and extremism-disruption orders to “combat groups and individuals who reject our values and promote messages of hate”, which will deny their access to the airwaves and to social media.

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Theresa May first voiced concerns about extremist views on television in the wake of the murder of Drummer Lee Rigby in 2013. Photograph: Matt Dunham/PA
May has already revealed plans to require the Home Office “extremism analysis unit” to set out clearly for the first time which individuals and organisations the government and public sector should or should not engage with: “This will make sure nobody unwittingly lends legitimacy or credibility to extremists or extremist organisations.”
The commitment to produce legislation giving Ofcom a stronger role to take action against channels which broadcast extremist content suggests next week’s Queen’s speech will go much further than simply keeping its powers under regular review.
Ofcom, Javid’s letter said, already has strict rules to ensure that material that is likely to “incite hatred” is not broadcast on radio, television or in on-demand programmes. He says Ofcom has already taken “robust action against UK broadcasters which have breached these rules”.
The minister told the PM: “However, Ofcom does not have the powers to approve programmes before they are broadcast and nor do we consider that it should have these powers as has been proposed in paragraph 111 of the strategy.
“Extending Ofcom’s powers to enable it to take pre-emptive action would move it from its current position as a post-transmission regulator into the role of censor.”
The then culture secretary said he was unable to agree to the publication of May’s extremism strategy with the wording in paragraph 111 and suggested it be replaced with a paragraph setting out the previously agreed position that Ofcom’s powers be kept under regular review.
The Home Office said they refused to comment on leaked ministerial documents.

 

As fro democracy and freedom of speech, the UK has neither.

Ahh good old Neoliberalism. Our current economic system was created by the experiment, Pinochet in Chile, backed by the US and UK, they created what we call Thatchernomics in the UK, Reaganomics in the US and in Europe "Austerity".

It's a destructive "grab everything and anything you can't grab stop others grabbing it" system that leaves scorched earth in it's wake. Osborne is doing just that.

Neoliberalism is not an economic system it is an ideology. Shrink government to the point where corporations run everything for profit.
Water prisons schools healthcare education police. Essentially it is an ideology that drives a toll boot between you and everything you need to actually survive, the people who drive this ideology do not need the public services they are having gov cut and privatise, yet enjoy sibsibies bailouts and bonuses and no accountability.
The final nail will be TTIP. That is where your rights will disappear down the pan. It is already apparent with 0 hour contracts. Just take a look at the laws in the US that TTIP is looking to normalise with Europe. They have no rights over there, and have to work two jobs to feed themselves all too often.

Neoliberalism is the one way privatisation of everything for ever, TTIP will make it impossible to renationalise assets.

Any deviation from this by a state in future, will meet the civilian and military arms of the neoliberals, UN and NATO. Why do you think NATO goes in and smashes a country, corps move in and take over. Ukraine being the latest country to be put to the economical sword, having had a national asset firesale once the IMF got their claws into them. The country is now a shambles, literally, currency a 3rd of it's worth, banks failing and guess what, even though they are not in the EU, you and I will probably get to bail them out through EU financing.

Neoliberalism is an ideology of commodification of humanity.

 

Read your post for god's sake It barely makes sense.

Values are ethical and moral. They have nothing to do with culture. Nothing, they are down to the individual and vary.

Whether someone tries to create an "ideology" not "culture btw" from a set of determined values, is neither here nor there, the values remain the same whether one tries to leverage them or not You can't build a culture out of values anyway. Cultures develop from the bottom up anyway, not from the top, forced downwards on people as Theresa May is suggesting, trying to make the UK "State" master and purveyor of what British values are, and anything outside that definition is dissent, and a crime. Yep, Nazi talk.

If the state can define "values" the state can redefine "values" as it sees fit. Just like the term Antisemitism, it changes every year to silence criticism.

"You seem to love invoking Godwin's law don't you" I don't know what that is supposed to mean, but seeing as you were wrong, it just seems silly now