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  1. Gucci.Mane

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    It's like these ****s see films about dystopian fascist societies and think, "yeah but how do we actually make that happen?"
     
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    Ah the old ttip is scary stuff now when it's too late. Ttip's sister tpp is even scarier.

    Myself , Sisu and a few others on this site have brought it up in the past and been laughed off as conspiracy nuts.

    See who's laughing when some multinational wants to pay less than the minimum wage and brings the government to a secret court to sue them because they don't agree with that country's employment laws.

    Corporations and multinationals truly will be rulers of the world.


    People are waking up now but it's very late in the game to get this stopped
     
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    The really scary thing is the secret tribunals. The current system of governance has sided with corporations sometihng like 90% of the time. The judges also have "links" to the corporations which is no surprise.

    Currently Australia and Uruguay are fighting Cigarette companies. Thats the reality, we know smokes kill pollute and cause cancer and other illnesses yet the smoke companies are suing countries over "warnings on packet" legislation as well as the new laws coming on bland uniform cigarette packets.

    Uruguay has something like 60 to 70% of the adult population as smokers so the healthcare bill must be astronomical so they are taking sensible action to reduce smoker numbers in future generations and are being sued as a result.
    Argentina sued over freezing energy prices to the tune of a billion.

    TTIP is a corporate written deal in Washington, the EU politicians are owned by lobbyists.

    The plan is part of the globalisation plan. Privatise everything, then unify economies and give corporations the right to sue governments, it literally means actual control of the world for these corporations.


    Also finaicial institutions harm economies more than help them, that's the results of new studies in the US, then when they do enough harm to crash the economies we get to bail them out. All these trading\hedge funds do is take from hte economy and put nothing back. Barclays CItigroup HSBC all epic fraudsters, Cameron has HSBC in his blood, literally if one is even bothered to check his family's past.

    UK Oil and fossil fuels receive 2.6bn a year subsidies which vastly outweighs the subsidies for green and renewable energies PLUS the energy bill levvies to come for the average person. (Climate change my arse) US Oil gas and fossil fuel, has recieved 3 trillion in subsidies in the past few decades.

    TTIP will see the removal of environmental laws, regulations in various sectors, sure even Monsanto are currently buying their way back into the EU cos you know, they've not killed enough bees yet with their Neonicotinoids.
    1000+ chemicals banned form makeup in Europe, only 12 banned in the US. Look at the food standards in the US, fracking laws and all that. Texas just passed a law preventing cities form regulating oil companies in their municipalities. Look at US employment laws, the worker has no protection.

    The TTIP will attempt to normalise that with EU standards and regulations, meaning we will lose our protections of law and regulation.

    0 hour contracts, are part of this, a way of taking away your right to work, this is just a normalisation with US standards of having no ****ing rights, that's where TTIP is bringing Europe.
     
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    Privatisation of the NHS already happening folks. Welcome to US medcare, where you need to sell your home to pay medical bills. 60%+ of foreclosures are medical bill related.
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    This is out of date, it's actually much worse. What's all this talk of how much the NHS will be given, Tories have cut 4000 nurses since 2010?!?!
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    Privatised legal and prison system, which of course needs people in the system to make it profitable, see the US justice system, black's and average\poor people are now a commodity there for this system, UK CPS is already a massive profit making enterprise.
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    It's New world order by any other name.
     
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    People laugh when they hear New World Order and use it as some form of ridicule. Yet same types fail to recognise that the term has been used by Bush snr, Bush jnr, Cameron Blair, those are the people that are consistently using the term New World order.

    So it's especially funny when people throw that term at me, given I've never used it in any meangingful way, it's actually "world leaders" that use this term as well as NATO.
     
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  8. Way to be selective <laugh>
     
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    No, it's an example of many people like her caught in your scaregoat net, not "yours" but the argument you put forward.

    There are many people who are forced to live on a pittance and now have to fork out bedroom tax. You give the impression people are lording it up with their spare rooms <doh>

    Scrap it and tax ****ing bankers you toadstool <laugh>

    I could post a list of costs you have to pay for to put bedroom tax into context if you like<ok>
     
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    This is not a joke, it's factual, this is what TTIP is about, this is the kind of thinking that brings about TTIP
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  11. You miss understand what I meant by selective :)

    I previously said I agree with the bedroom tax (that is very misleading as it isn't a tax at all) but it needs more attention as its not as simple as 'you must pay for any spare room you have'. My previous argument on it being a luxury were aimed at people that opt to have a bigger home rather than move, not people that require a bigger home than current legislation suggests. I also said help should be provided to anyone that chooses to move and that a cost analysis should be carried out prior to asking someone to move too.
     
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    Bedroom tax is pointless and just part of the theft of money from the British voter, as part of a large strategy of making the worse off pay for banker bonuses.

    Like I said, oil gas and fossil fuel gets 2.6 billion a year subsidies, yes massive profit making business gets billions but someone with a spare room MUSt pay.

    yOU ARE ALL SUCKERS !"
     
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  13. It isn't pointless at all but I guess we'll never agree so may as well agree to disagree <ok>
     
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    At this point, Britons should be marching on ****ing Westminster and Downing street in their millions <doh> Too ****ing soft.

    The country is being destroyed right beneath your feet
     
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    Here's an interesting fact, this is you, us, our money, taxes ect given to record profit making oil gas and fossil fuel corps.
    Global subsidies to Gas Oil and Fossil fuel $523bn in 2011

    How does that compute with "global warming" as well as the economics. << The contradiction. That money comes from the very governments bleating on about "climate change" and "austerity".

    That money would wipe out global poverty. a few times over. Bedroom tax? <laugh>

    TTIP is the slide into a corporate future hellscape
     
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    External political and military support. At least four UK government departments provide unconditional business support to oil companies, including military convoys, lobbying and intelligence-gathering, with the frequent involvement of ministers and high-level civil servants. While hard to quantify, the cost of just one diplomat in the UK consulate in Basra was £2mn per year.

    Equity finance. The UK provides financial support to oil extraction and transportation abroad on preferential terms via the Export Credit Guarantee Department as well as International Financial Institutions (EBRD, European Investment Bank, World Bank Group)

    International oil companies channel their cashflows through networks of subsidiaries, many in high secrecy offshore jurisdictions. BP and Shell are particularly committed to tax havens, with more tax-dodging subsidiaries than their competitors: 605 and 523 high-secrecy subsidiaries respectively. IOCs can also play off governments against each other, exploit international legal mechanisms (Tullow in Uganda), and local loopholes (BP in Turkey) to avoid paying tax.

    Rather than providing fossil fuel companies with the financial incentives and political support to pursue ever more dangerous drilling, the UK government should prioritise the public well-being over the profits of these vast oil corporations – by properly taxing them. The first step towards phasing out UK fossil fuel subsidies would be transparency: open government reporting that tracks and quantifies the subsidies.


    http://platformlondon.org/p-publications/making-a-killing-oil-companies-tax-avoidance-subsidies/

    Yet more proof that corporations run government not the other way round.

    Glencore, owned by Rothschild, pays militias in Sudan to ****ing kill people and even them police there. Same **** in South America with Drummond mining. Of course Nat Rothschild wen to to school with George Osborne

    Welcome TTIP with open arms why don't we
     
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    My last on this otherwise I'll be "spamming"

    It is a plutocratic kakistocracy. TTIP is to further this.

    Plutocratic in that corporations and politicians work hand in glove to their mutual benefit and kakistocratic in that:
    A kakistocracy is when a government fills its leadership and other high-level positions with the worst people society has to offer: the deviants, the liars and the criminals, ..... really bad governments do this because they know if you put somebody like that into power … they’ll do anything. They’ll lie, they’ll steal, they’ll cheat, they’ll kill.

    So you see why Westminster is full of ****s liars and thieves.
     
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    Ok so not my last.

    Look at who's negotiating these deals other side of the channel. Only former lobbyists for said corporations.
    Government is a corporate\Ministerial merrygoround after all.
    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/04/16/tpp-revolving-door/

    The Office of the United States Trade Representative, the agency responsible for negotiating two massive upcoming trade deals, is being led by former lobbyists for corporations that stand to benefit from the deals, according to disclosure forms obtained by The Intercept.

    The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is a proposed free trade accord between the U.S. and 11 Pacific Rim countries; the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) is a similar agreement between the U.S. and the E.U.

    The Obama administration is pushing hard to complete both deals, which it says will increase U.S. trade opportunities. Critics say the deals will provide corporate interests with sweeping powers to challenge banking and environmental regulations.

    Here is information on three major figures in the Trade Representative’s office, gleaned from their disclosure forms:

    Sharon Bomer Lauritsen, the assistant U.S. trade representative for agricultural affairs, recently lobbied for the Biotechnology Industry Organization, a trade group for biotech companies. Lauritsen’s financial disclosure form shows she made $320,193 working to influence “state, federal and international governments” on biotech patent and intellectual property issues. She worked for BIO as an executive vice president through April of 2011, before joining the Trade Representative office.

    Christopher Wilson, the deputy chief of mission to the World Trade Organization, recently worked for C&M International, a trade consulting group, where he represented Chevron, the Biotechnology Industry Organization, British American Tobacco, General Electric, Apple and other corporate interests. Wilson’s financial disclosure shows he made $250,000 a year, in addition to an $80,000 bonus in 2013, before he joined the Obama administration. Wilson left C&M International in February of 2014 and later joined the Trade Representative’s office. C&M International reportedly lobbied Malaysia, urging it to oppose tobacco regulations in Australia.

    Robert Holleyman, the deputy United States trade representative, previously worked as the president of the Business Software Alliance, a lobbying group that represents IBM, Microsoft, Adobe, Apple and other technology companies seeking to strengthen copyright law. Holleyman earned $1,141,228 at BSA before his appointment. Holleyman was nominated for his current position in February of last year.

    These disclosures about the revolving door at the trade agency come after U.S. Trade Representative Michael Froman received scrutiny over a special bonus paid to him in 2009 after he left Citigroup to join the Obama administration as deputy assistant to the president. Froman received more than $7.4 million from Citi in the year prior to joining the administration.

    Critics note that under the TPP, corporations will be empowered to file lawsuits against governments to block laws that could impair future profits. The lawsuits would fall under special tribunals set up by the World Bank.

    Many of the former clients of the trade officials now negotiating these agreements stand to gain immensely.

    Sharon Bomer Lauritsen and Christopher Wilson both represented biotech companies. As economist Joseph Stiglitz has argued, the TPP could restrict competition in the pharmaceutical industry by undermining government regulation of drug prices and by creating new rules to obstruct the introduction of generic drugs.

    Robert Holleyman represented software companies. According to the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the TPP “contains DRM [Digital Rights Management] anti-circumvention provisions that will make it a crime to tinker with, hack, re-sell, preserve, and otherwise control any number of digital files and devices that you own.”

    The contents of the trade deals are secret and therefore still veiled from scrutiny by the public and even most members of Congress. Only trade officials and select corporate representatives have been able to review them.

    Despite growing opposition to both deals, Finance Committee Chair Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, may introduce legislation this week to provide President Obama with “fast track” authority to limit congressional review over and expedite approval of the agreements.
     
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