Is Brendan Rodgers going to take us forward???

Transfermarkt - don't know how reliable or where they get the figures from - has the following

Lambert £3.5m
Coates £1.3m
Borini £6.1m
Balotelli £13.2m
Aspas £3.5m
Alberto £13.2m

Just as a marker they have Suarez £52.8m and Messi £105.6m.

 

Let's not send IBWT to negotiate our fees

 

Having the same amount of shots on target as Chelsea though, tells you what? And yes I know every on target shot isn't an indication of the quality of the shot but it tells you all you need to know, wasted chances - not every on target shot we had was a weak effort, most however, must have been or we'd have a better GF tally.

 

Shots taken and shots on target is irrelevant without understanding where the shots were taken from, the quality of chance etc.

Without having the facts at hand, I'm confident that Chelsea have created far better chances from their shots than we have.

And if we took a shot from outside the box, is that a wasted chance? Clear cut chances (CCC) is a far better metric to use.

 

This is all I could find - done in Feb 2015 -

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A quality striker having a pot shots often results in a few goals throughout the season, hence me previously arguing about the chances created statistic; like all stats, it can be misleading and incorrectly used. It is also based on opinion since a chance may be classed as clear cut by one but not another

 

You could argue we have the best strikers with that conversion rate, that's clearly a ridiculous claim and shows how stats can be misleading and manipulated.

 

I didn't say sign ings and no one else.

Yes we need a first team striker, said that all along but selling borini Lambert and balotelli for £15m and buying ings for free (or a few mil) would give us a better option from the bench and make a profit to go towards a top striker.

Its about budgeting. Getting a player on the cheap that actually suits our play (and is young homegrown and has room for improvement) while getting rid of 2 strikers that don't suit us. Makes perfect sense to me

 

Alberto for 13m?!
ill go and buy a united and Everton short of we get that for him

hes hardly even even played for Malaga from what I gather and hasn't exactly pulled up any trees there.

 

Who is going to pay £10m for borini? He's not played, clearly isn't wanted... We're not really in a great situation to negotiate. Again with balotelli, might get close to 10 based on reputation but would be lucky.

 

I wouldn't sign a back-up striker, I'd sign a quality striker that would either be looking to take Studge's place or play alongside him. I actually want two strikers to come him meaning all three should be fighting to play.

I've only joined this conversation on the last page so I may be barking up the wrong tree here but tell someone who cares...

 

alberto fee comes from an agreement to buy after 2 year loan... I deeply suspect its in the bin. Aspas is looking like the agreement on him will come true.

The rest? who knows.

 

I know you don't like stats because as you rightly say they can be manipulated to suit any cause but when the same criteria are used for each team, it's very often a good comparison or at least an indication of the reality of the situation from a neutral, unbiased view point. You always say you trust your eyes rather than stats and I presume most people do, but that ends up with every opinion possible on any given area of discussion. Go to the stats to see how many shots were actually taken in a game, for instance, and a lot of people won't believe it because in their view it didn't seem that many or conversely it seemed more, when the stats gives the true amount.

 

I think Rodgers will get some much needed thinking time this summer and he'll start the new season with a new approach, with clarity about the roles of new signings and the roles of last summers signings.

Remember the guy used to stay awake until four am. He's not getting much sleep. Can't be good for him.

 

See, I don't mind stats when used correctly such as judging how good a striker is when using scoring opportunities versus shots that hit the target vs goals etc, this provides a good indication of how accurate the player is. However, I wouldn't use stats to compare players (or clubs) as the situations are often different so it is near on impossible to provide a fair comparison. As I said, the stat table you gave...

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...shows we have the best attacking and defensive conversion rate when you look at the percentage.

Looking at just the figures, its shows that we've not been good enough offensively but defensively its not been too bad. Can't argue with the offensive side as we've been **** but defensively we've been poor too. IE, stats are misleading again.

 

yes sacking him will save him from himself

 

No, what it shows is good conversion rate of clear cut chances and the worst save % of those listed. Where are you getting the 'not too bad defence' from in those figures?

 

I mis-read it. I thought the defensive percentage meant how many of those chances were scored rather than saved

 

Can see Rodgers 'quitting' and citing a lack of transfer support.

Then we bring someone in and spend.

 

Actually it proves your original point very well - stats are misleading and can be quite effective in causing mis-reading