Ok you do that while he runs your club into the ground, meanwhile you'll still be in the Championship when we come back up.
I'm sure you will revel in it if he does make the same mistake again, but confident you'll find something else to moan about if he doesn't. I also resent being called 'blind faithful'. I'm perfectly able to make my own decisions. The fact that I don't agree with your doomsday view does not mean that I am one of the 'blind faithful'. I shall have to take your word for it that he promised promotion. No-one is able to promise such things - I'm sure his expression was simply aspirational. I think Redders is due all he gets. Please tell me you can see this really? And who appointed our last good coach? Can you remember that far back, or does your hatchet-sharpening only allow you to think of all things Cellino?
Leslie Silver appointed our last decent coach Redfearn has behaved disrespectfully and because of that and the fact he hasn't got a clue he deserves to go We've all made mistakes, and I'm sure we've all broken promises. Let's see how the next few months go before sticking the Cellino knife in And ffs stop moaning
The way I see it, if Bates, GFH, Grayson, Warnock, McDermott, Redfearn or anyone else for that matter had promised promotion by 2016 and then moved it to 2017 as a result of their poor transfer activity, everybody would be hurling abuse at them. You can't have one rule for one man and a different rule for the rest. Cellino consistently moves the goalposts and some of the fans are too blind to see it. He's the big baby and his histrionics, coupled with his continual court cases, will kill the club. Redfearn isn't the answer and should be replaced if a better coach is willing to come in and work with the egotistical maniac, but anyone who genuinely thinks Redfearn is the only issue we have at the club is ****ing delusional.
Can't disagree, apart from the 'continual court cases' He's had one so far. Hardly continual. How many did Bates have? And at our expense too! Not sure if this is aimed at me or not, but I would never for a moment suggest that Redders is the only issue we have.
Yes WJ I can see Redfearn isn't up to the task but I thought that before he was appointed. I made a comment back then that it was totally the wrong decision, many said if it doesn't work Redfearn will waltz back into his academy role, I said he wouldn't. Why are you so adamant that the blame is Redfearn and not the guy who appointed him or the two prior to him? If a manager signs a poor player is it the managers fault or the players? Stewart and Kebe prime examples, were they poor the day we signed them, were they scouted correctly, did we blame them or McD for signing them? We blamed McD for signing them. This season we are no better than last but we cannot blame Redfearns signings as it was Cellino who signed the players and Cellino that picked the three coaches, the blame stops at Cellinos feet, he signed the players, he signed the coaches. Now I can't remember if it was yourself or LeedsLover that said a better coach would get better out of the players and that the players signed by Cellino were half decent. In his most recent interview Cellino admitted that the players were not up to the task, he has said he won't make the same mistakes again. I don't revel in anything, I can just see through Cellino, I can see through his lies, I can see he is no good for Leeds United and I guess it frustrates me that some others can't. Was it you who said judge him at the end of the season when we see where we are in the league, when we see how far we have got after a full season, if so we haven't got very far have we, now you are saying judge him after another season? I love your comment about finding something to moan about. How many years out of the top flight, how many good seasons under Bates, GFH and now Cellino, seriously when have we had cause not to moan? If you can find anything positive about our state of affairs now then I have to say clutching at straws, I think it is laughable how you continue to make excuses for Cellino, yes you are entitled to an opinion but I don't believe you are as content as you make out, if not then you really do have your head in the sand Finally you resent me saying Blind Faithful but you don't disagree with Kiwi who states "too blind to see it" nor do you disagree with Kiwi (who is in agreement with me in what he says) yet I am considered to be moaning can you explain the differences?
Redfern isn't being sacked, his contract is up. But he should have been sacked for being useless in January.
Redders was not plucked out of obscurity. There is no doubt in my mind that he played a major part in securing the coaching role for himself, therefore he put himself in a position where he could fail. And he did. Ultimately, Cellino listened to the hype &appointed him. We now know it was an incorrect decision but then hindsight is a wonderful thing. I couldn't disagree more. Yes, we signed some duff players. No doubt about it, and comes as no surprise when you sign so many at the same time. We are better than last season: We have got rid of most of our expensive deadwood. It's possible we may have some deadwood left, but they're cheaper & easier to get rid of than in the past. It's also fair to say that some may yet surprise us, as they haven't had a decent chance yet. I cite Montenegro as an example. We have brought on some of our kids, and whilst they may have some failings, as you would expect with kids, a decent coach should be able to sort that out. Above all else, we have potential. When was the last time you could say that? I don't recall saying that myself, but let me say that I agree with LL. Cellino didn't quantify or specify what or who he was talking about. I'm absolutely positive he wasn't making a blanket statement & including ALL of the players he signed. I don't believe that was me who said to judge him at the end of a full season, however in the above paragraph I gave you 3 'improvement' bullets. So whoever said it was right. Or do we have to get promotion to 'improve'. I also don't think he lies. He simply makes hopeful & aspirational statements & circumstances conspire to prove him wrong. Don't want to dwell on this point, but the word 'relentless' springs to mind. Perhaps you should go watch the team & perhaps see some glimmers of hope? I'm not making excuses for him, I'm simply offering an alternative interpretation to yours. Perhaps with your consistency of views you could get a job at ER. Your effect on the team morale would bring down Cellino for sure. I think it's yourself that's clutching at straws here. Paranoia creeping in? Kiwi says that "Cellino consistently moves the goalposts and some of the fans are too blind to see it". He does and I'm not blind to it. The difference is that I accept that there is more going on behind the scenes than we are party to, so of course there will be moving targets & objectives. That's life.
There's a very strong case for that, I agree. Possibly the difference was Thompson's appointment & Cellino wanting to see if that would work. It did until Salerno sacked him!
Thompson was sacked because as soon as he joined Redfearn stopped talking football matters to Cellino. The fact that Cellino was supposed to be banished seems to have escaped him. The FA are likely to be all over us again from what was said on Radio five this afternoon because there is a serious suggestion that Cellino was still in charge.
WJ this season has finished and we were no better than last... Next season hasn't started yet, I agree we have some promising youngsters, if we keep them we might go into next season looking far better than previous
It's more than promising youngsters. There's potential and a considerably better financial set-up. As I said earlier .... We are better than last season: We have got rid of most of our expensive deadwood. It's possible we may have some deadwood left, but they're cheaper & easier to get rid of than in the past. It's also fair to say that some may yet surprise us, as they haven't had a decent chance yet. I cite Montenegro as an example. We have brought on some of our kids, and whilst they may have some failings, as you would expect with kids, a decent coach should be able to sort that out. Above all else, we have potential. When was the last time you could say that?
I really don't think Cellino is anywhere near as smart as some give him credit for. Playing mind games and putting things in place for future outcomes seems beyond him to me. He says whatever he is thinking at the time without really thinking about the consequences of what he says imo. Thats the major reason for all this mess under his reign really and probably why he is terrible at buying players.
Whether Cellino is hopeless or not, it's clear he hasn't the know how to achieve promotion. We are far more likely to see League 1 if he remains than the pl. for that reason, I'd prefer him gone. At my age, the years become more precious and I can't stand having to write off seasons in November
We have potential every year. But we are no nearer to reaching it than we were two years ago or last year! If Cellino and or Redfearn stay we are going nowhere, we are a bigger circus than at anytime n our history. Cellino getting jail time is the only way this gets fixed. Smell the coffee ffs.
Some still sticking up for Cellino Really? But really? Was the absolute shambles of a press conference not the final straw for the last few stragglers?
