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  1. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    If knowing the risks and not wanting cancer or emphysema would stop people smoking, no one would smoke. The smoking ban (apart from all the benefits to nonsmokers) has made smoking less cool and, hopefully, will reduce the chance of anyone starting smoking when people are passing around cigs over drinks in a pub. However, smoking increases the number of nicotine receptors in your body and, boy, do they scream if you don't feed them. Never give up trying to give up.
     
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  2. Tommomo

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    Well you may feel belligerent but you sound like a ****ing idiot. I suggest you read a little about the science behind addiction or even just go outside and have a chat with people who have had to deal with it rather than making snide, bullshit remarks about it.
     
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    Mr Grumpy's got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning ......................:emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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    It was a joke, and no, hardly anything you said was positive. Just immature, self-righteous crap.
     
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    Twisted by Design (1998) is their best album in my opinion.

    Awesome Husker Du track, BTW.
     
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  6. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Not sure anyone can say eating is harder to give up than smoking, seeing as there's no physical addiction to food, and as others have said you can swap 'x' for 'y' with certain things. Whereas your body actually becomes dependent on nicotine, not the same thing at all. You wouldn't see people describe eating addictions as the same as heroin addiction or alcoholism.
     
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    As we are on about things that are harmful, we could extend the conversation to food. I have a friend here in Mallorca and she is reading and learning everything there is about nutrition. To set the debate rolling, she only eats eggs from hens that feed on the natural feedstuffs around them like vegetables, and have the run of the yard. We can see where they live and what they eat. She has cut bread out of her diet completely as it is thought that a carbohydrate food turns to sugar.
     
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    Its not the same as a smack or nicotine habit but the human body is predisposed to craving fats and sugars. It goes back to our early evolutionary days when a meal couldn't be bought at aldi but had to hunted or gathered and there was a danger of extended periods without a meal. In a lot of primitive societies you will find that fat people were the most desirable to partner with because being overweight meant a reliable source of food.

    Its not quite the same as a chemical addiction but the urge to take in and store energy is there. It affects everyone differently and some people have weight issues due to other problems but it is a part of our biological makeup that hasn't caught up with modern western society.
     
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  9. fran-MLs little camera

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    No thinking about it....carbohydrates are complex foods and when digested turn into sugars that the body can use. Mustn't demonise food stuffs...our body needs sugar and fats. Moderation in all things. Obsession about food is just another obsession...enjoy life.
     
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  10. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Yeah I do agree with that, not really what I was saying though, I was just pointing out there's a big difference between a physical & mental addiction, and I personally (from experience) feel that mental addictions are easier to conquer than physical addictions. Like you say though everyone is different in this respect.

    On another not unrelated note, does anyone feel that alcohol and nicotine should be illegal? 2 of the most harmful drugs out there yet anyone over the age of 18 can go and buy as much as they like whenever they like.
     
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    Tommomo is correct. Monkeys and apes crave sugar because sweet fruit are ripe and ready to eat, so you gorge when it is available. Omniverous apes such as us gorge when they taste fat as well. It is natural to feed whilst you can. See previous note about moderation :)
     
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    Cigarette addiction can be physical and mental. People who struggle are physically addicted. My father just gave up cigarettes as he couldn't afford to smoke and raise kids...he had no problems, so I would guess he wasn't physically addicted to cigarettes, but merely smoked out of habit.
     
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    Sorry if i went off topic mate. My basic point was food..or more specifically certain aspects of food such as fats and sugars are addictive in their own way. Its certainly easier to quit or replace than say heroin but its nonetheless addictive, hence the growing obesity epidemic in the western world.

    Yes, in a better world booze and nicotine would be illegal due to their harmful nature. I dont think weed should be legal as i've seen what it can do to people but its certainly less harmful than tobacco and one could argue that it was certain powerful lobbies which got it vilified roughly a century ago.
     
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    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    They say the physical addiction will last only 72 hours after giving up - so anytime after that, it's all mental and habitual. My Dad recently gave up smoking after 40years after a health scare, put a bit of fear into me as well and I've told him if he does 6 straight months I will give it a damn good go as well (seeing as I suffer from athsma as he does, and as I've recently become a father made me think more). My Dad's now 4 1/2 months in, so end of June looks like I'll be trying. At least it might be easier during the close season with no Saints to stress me out :)
     
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  15. fran-MLs little camera

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    No, I don't think that cigarettes and alcohol should be made illegal...you just create another underground need...prohibition in America made ordinary people criminals and made a fortune for criminals. Making cigarettes less attractive is the way to go...there is already a reduction in smokers in this country. As for alcohol, it is a harmless pleasure for many, though it is a shame that we can't be more like the continentals in attitude. Getting bladdered is unattractive in anybody. See previous, previous note on moderation :) I know this will make people raise the issue of cannabis, but I know several people who have been damaged mentally by the strong forms now available so I wouldn't want it legalised....yes, I am aware that is inconsistent.
     
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    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Never in any shape or form is alcohol harmless <ok> I also wouldn't like to see cannabis legalised as i've seen it **** people up completely, though like you say a lot of that is down to the strong (chemically enhanced) forms around these days, if it was legalised it could be regulated better though and users would know exactly what they are getting instead of trying their luck with some random dealer and you could argue that would make people safer? (could say the same about other substances such as ecstasy). Would also make the government a hell of a lot in tax money (which I feel is the only reason alcohol & nicotine isn't banned). Again, I'm not saying I feel it should be legalised, just quite a thought provoking conversation.
     
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    I took his statement more as a 'should they have illegal from the start' theory and answered accordingly but i agree with you here. You cant just say something as common as alcohol is suddenly illegal and expect anything other than black market trade. You're absolutely right in that the best way to stop future problems is by funding education and awareness so that things like binge drinking eventually pariah themselves rather than be thought of as 'normal'

    As for the weed issue. let me send out a quick message:

    IT ****S YOU UP!

    It doesn't do any obvious physiological damage but i share-housed for a while and watched a dozen housemates go from having a girlfriend/boyfriend, a job and outside mates to being unemployed, single, insular and content to play DotA for 18 hours a day 7 days a week. It takes away your ability to function in society and that's what makes it so insidious.

    Edit: I should add that i spent 3 years in a permanent weed haze. I quit because i was sick of being unproductive in my life, not because it was physcally harmful or damaging to me.
     
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  18. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Spot on agree with every word <applause>

    I'm also an ex user and quit not for health reasons but because all it will do eventually is hold you back from achieving anything, makes you lazy n 'not bothered' about everything. Complete waste of time/money.
     
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    No Dave, it's an eel
     
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    Hampshire start their T20 campaign tonight at home to Essex. Have been to the last 4 Finals Days and would like to do so again. Come on Hampshire!
     
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