Off Topic Political Debate

You just love Thatcher because she gave you a cheap house (government intervention to help out the needy?).

It baffles me that you manage to run a business of any kind...

 

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...jects-london-motion-on-fossil-fuel-divestment

Just the start of what the Tories will offer us.

Oh yea, I forgot, 'growth' is more important than anything else, including the planet we live on...

You Tories should be proud

 

I'm sorry but the two are not mutually exclusive - without the right to disagree democracy wouldn't exist, Article 11 of the Human Rights Act makes that much very clear. Which probably goes some way towards explaining why the Tories want to scrap it in favour of something more to their liking.

No-one, least of all me, made any mention of defending one bunch of yobs by saying there is another bunch - I was alluding to the weekend's incidents, during which the police were, unfortunately for them, caught on video being particularly heavy-handed in dealing with peaceful protesters, protesters who were doing nothing more than what Article 11 allows them to do. I don't often subscribe to conspiracy theories, but I certainly can't believe that the actions of the police on this occasion and the wording of Article 11 are not connected.

 

Your easily baffled.

 

sorry You are easily baffled

 

Good skills.

The BBC's bias is off the page tonight. Last week the country elected a bunch of sharks into power - right now BBC1 has a programme about their private lives...

 

What seems to get missed with the whole discussion on Human Rights is what has to go with it - and that is Responsibilities. To have rights in a society means you also have responsibilities to that society and the some of the judgements handed down, particularly by the ECHR, seems to lack that connection. So their continued blocking of our own courts judgements to deport someone who preaches terrorism back to his own country, because he has a right to family life, ignored the fact that that person is exercising no responsibilities to that society and what about the rest of society - does that have no rights to live in peace without these vile hate preachers in our midst?
This country has a set of laws that protects the rights of its citizens, why do they have to be superseded by another group of judges that have no connection or any understanding of this country? It is not needed.

 

Please give one example of that?

I think you're confusing them stopping us sending people back to countries where people are tortured.

 

Exhibit A.

 

"Green" energy policies backed by Green parties and greenpeace are leading to an increase in carbon emissions, an increase in fuel poverty what's the "Green" justification for this madness? Are they denying the costs, the load factors, the storage issues? If any organization wants to be credible it must deliver credible solutions not half baked anti fossil fuel at all costs "solutions".... http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418263/germanys-green-power-program-crushes-poor-robert-zubrin

 

Aberdeen you really should get your facts right Germany has a CDU/SPD coalition in charge - before that a CDU/FDP coalition, the desire to allow electricity charges to rise uncapped was a Merkel decision - there is not a 'Green' in sight here ! Also, the tone of the last para. here demonstrates rather clearly that the writer has a rather large axe to grind with Germany irrespective of energy policies.

 

That's simply not true.

Renewable energies are the future, it's currently a work in progress but production costs are dropping year on year.

Fossil fuels are on their way out, just accept it.

Could have a rant about this but I'm late enough for work as it is...

 

And the only thing we should worry about is that the Tories will try to privatise our wind and sunshine...

 

I accept fossil fuel is a finite resource and will at some point run out. I also accept that there is more to be done in the area of harnessing natural energy; I just can't bring myself to call it renewable because it is a constant source, even if the actual amount produced varies from day to day or hour to hour, especially the harvesting of wind, tidal and solar power.
That said where does nuclear power fit into this? It does appear to be a perfect source of power, apart from the problem of disposal of the fuel after use, the ocasional reactor problem and the possibility that the technology might not be used for entirely peaceful purposes.

 

Nope - not everyone - just you. You are the only one who keeps comparing us to Russia and Belarus and if you think I come over badly you should read your own posts. I confess I have just got tired of re-reading your same half dozen Green soundbites over and over again. I would not try to define democracy - but you keep telling us that we don't have one - but of course you actually really mean we don't have one that suits you. Democracy is from two Greek words meaning "people rule" - that is so wide it can encompass many things.

 

Ever seen pseuds corner.

 

And you think that I have a monopoly on soundbites when I have constantly heard words like 'austerity' and 'creators of wealth' regurgitated by yourself, and others, without any apparent explanation of them. I suggest you read through people's texts completely before answering them because it appears that you are only reading, and understanding, what you want to. The only reference which I have made to Russia and Belarus was to say that they are the only other countries in Europe which have one party majority governments - which is the truth, this does not imply any other comparison other than in your imagination.

 

I think the jury may still be out on this one. The construction of nuclear plants emits great amounts of CO2. Also there have been estimations done that the 10 new plants planned would actually reduce carbon emissions by only around 4%, would be extremely expensive and would, in the fastest case, only be operational by about 2024. Disregarding the possibility of accidents, the effects of the entire nuclear cycle need to be considered - from uranium mining through to the disposal of nuclear waste as a problem for future generations.

 

Does the UK have experiments with thermal energy. Obviously we do and our land is not as stable as yours. Thermal energy is almost without end.

 

Yes, my thermal socks work fine, nice & cosy in winter.