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Referendum: Abolition of the monarchy

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by DAPARKERSAFC, May 11, 2015.

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Abolish the monarchy

  1. Yes

    23 vote(s)
    41.8%
  2. No

    32 vote(s)
    58.2%
  1. MrRAWhite

    MrRAWhite Well-Known Member

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    Give ower lad..I have got no beef with you..
     
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  2. The Relic

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    True. mate, but that's because it's implicit. That's the only service that was formed by a reigning monarch - Elizabeth 1. It's considered the monarch's service, which is why a lot of royal princes serve in it. I'm not sure that the Royal Marines swear the oath either, for the same reason?
     
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  3. Billy Death

    Billy Death Well-Known Member

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    I will ask you for the third & last time.
    Does the government go to the Queen for deniable ops?
    Also, while I'm on, the navy wasn't formed by Elizabeth I.
    Her father Henry had already established a fleet.
     
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  4. The Relic

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    Sorry if I've missed your question before, Billy. But, if it's deniable, how would I know? I've no idea.

    I believe Henry V111 did create a navy. There's been loads of 'navies' throughout history. The oldest on record I think was created by Alfred the Great of Wessex (before there was in integrated England) to curb Viking sea attacks around 880 a.d. I think Elizabeth 1 usually gets credit for it because of the extra organization she promoted when she was under pressure from Spain. And of course, when the Armada finally arrived, that version of the navy (plus a bloody great storm) scuppered them. (Nowt like a famous success to promote your claims, eh?) Again sorry about the 'deniable' question - I just don't know.
     
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  5. Deletion Requested1

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    I think the Mary Rose was in 'enry's navy
     
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  6. Gordon Armstrong

    Gordon Armstrong Just another S.A.F.C. fan
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    She makes a nice sauce to go with prawns, too <whistle>

    <sorry>
     
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  7. Blunham Mackem

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    You're a knowledgable man young Relic!
     
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  8. MrRAWhite

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    Apart from him thinking that the Royal Family still carry military influence you mean!!
     
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  9. Gordon Armstrong

    Gordon Armstrong Just another S.A.F.C. fan
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    . . . . and/or having the ability to research specific topics via a 'puter :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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  10. Blunham Mackem

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    Oh yeh, apart from that.

    Still some interesting stuff there though.
     
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  11. Billy Death

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    No problem fella.
    A deniable op is where forces are sent into a situation that might be seen as politically difficult if it became public knowledge.
    IE, helping governments abroad for favour or a very good back hander from folk we might not like.
    If everything goes well, then nobody ever hears about it.
    If it goes tits up then the government deny you were even there.
    Happens all the time, Oman, various African countries, Balkans, middle east.
    Does the Queen have to sanction this?
    Like **** she does & I doubt she gives a **** anyway.
     
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  12. The Relic

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    I appreciate what a deniable op is, but your question goes a whole lot further that the SAS 'hearts and minds' op in Oman In order to shore up the border with communist S.Yemen. I understand the problems with the Dhofari nomads traditional stomping ground crossing that border, and the sensitivity of the situation at the Straits of Hormuz.

    But the Royal Navy isn't the only department formed by a monarch. Elizabeth 1 instigated the creation of SIS (Secret Intelligence Service, or MI6) to find out more about Spanish intent. Until just a few years ago, it's very existence was denied by the British government. It wasn't even funded openly. A bit more than official budget would go to, e.g. Ministry of Agriculture, a bit more than budget would go to Ministry of Education and so on - and then all these little bits would suddenly vanish into the ether where no department existed. Administratively, SIS was handled by the Foreign Office, but there's no way in the world would the Minister want to know of their operations and methods. So who did? We can't seriously believe that a department of SIS's potential was just left to run itself without any government supervision at all, can we?

    Deniable ops is quite a difficult question. And I don't have any answers.
     
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  13. Nostalgic

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    He lived through it!
     
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  14. Billy Death

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    Would anybody give the Queen a chebble ender?
    I bet Phil has, the dorty owld bassa.
     
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  15. Commachio

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    Is Phil, Greek 100%.....
     
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  16. Billy Death

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    I think so & Lizzy's a Jarman skank.
     
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  17. Commachio

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    Just had a quick look, seems he's part Danish as well...****ing hell, all these royal families are really entwined.



    Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh (born Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark[2] on 10 June 1921)[fn 1] is the husband of QueenElizabeth II. He is the longest-serving, oldest-ever spouse of a reigning British monarch, and the longest-lived male member of theBritish royal family.

    A member of the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, Prince Philip was born in Greece into the Greek and Danish royal families,
     
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  18. Billy Death

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    Sounds like a ****ing Danish/Jarman brewery doesn't it?
     
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  19. Commachio

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    It's cerainly a mouthful...

    Mountbatten was his Uncle or some relation?
     
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  20. Billy Death

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    I think Lewie was the Queens uncle.
    Bastard provo's killed the poor ****.
     
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