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QPR challenge legality of FFP

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  1. DMD

    DMD Eh? Forum Moderator

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    I don't know if the article's misleading, but I recall people saying clubs could not mount a legal challenge against the governing body?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32699118

    QPR 'challenge legality' of Football League FFP regulations
    Queens Park Rangers revealed they have begun legal proceedings against the Football League, a day after being relegated from the Premier League.

    The club say they are challenging "the legality of the Championship Financial Fair Play rules", which could leave them facing a fine of up to £58m.

    Rangers said any charge for breaching the rules would not begin until the outcome of their challenge was known.

    Their relegation was confirmed by Sunday's 6-0 loss at Manchester City.

    In March, the club announced losses of £9.8m, but £60m worth of loans were written off by owner Tony Fernandes and other shareholders.

    A failure to pay any fine imposed could see the London side being refused entry into the Championship.

    Football League Financial Fair Play
    Championship clubs were permitted losses of £8m (£5m funded by shareholders) in 2013-14.

    Clubs promoted back to the Premier League who exceeded those losses are subject to a fine.

    There is a sliding scale on the next £10m of losses, with a maximum fine of £6.681m.

    Once losses exceed £18m, the fine is imposed on a strict pound-for-pound basis.

    Should there be an overall loss of £30m, the fine would be almost £19m. If it was £50m, the figure would be nearly £39m.
     
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  2. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

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    The issue is not that you can't take legal action against your governing body, it's just that if you do, you breach the rules and risk a fine and/or a points deduction.

    If you're facing a £58m fine already, it's probably worth the risk.
     
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  3. DMD

    DMD Eh? Forum Moderator

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    Aye, that was my view, I seem to recall some arguing otherwise.

    It looks like they're arguing the legality, rather than making a legal challenge though.
     
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    Craigo Well-Known Member

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    I hope QPR win their case.
    In no other form of business is it illegal to 'speculate to accumulate' and I think the FA will struggle to justify this in the courts.

    FFP protects the elite clubs by preventing smaller clubs from competing with them in the transfer market.
     
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  5. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

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    This is the Football League FFP rules, it doesn't actually affect any of the elite clubs and all the clubs signed up to agreeing to abide by this policy, so they're on dodgy ground now claiming they don't agree with it, just because they ignored it.
     
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    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

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    They can challenge it all they like, but they played in that league knowing what the rules are, and if they now don't want to abide by them then I'm sure the Football League will tell them they won't have a place in it next season.
     
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    over18and legal Well-Known Member

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    agreed
     
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  8. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

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    Agreed. Rather than pissing off the FA with this action, they'd be better off trying to come to a reduced settlement amount with them.
     
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  9. Tobes

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    I think it's probably nothing more than posturing tbh, with the aim of a financial compromise being where they end up.

    Fernandes can play the "I'll be forced to liquidate it if you impose the full fine" tact, and they'll agree a figure with the remainder suspended if they fail again, or something similar.
     
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  10. Amin Arrears

    Amin Arrears Well-Known Member

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    More wind and piss from the forum tit, as if QPR are just going to drop out the league because they don't agree with one of the rules, you complete bell end.
     
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  11. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm sure you're right.
     
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  12. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

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    Get back to the shallow end with the tiddlers you're out of your depth you ****wit.
     
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    Amin Arrears Well-Known Member

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    I know you are but what am I?
     
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  14. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

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    Yet another thread you're derailing with your idiotic bullshit, I've no idea why they tolerate you on here, you add precisely **** all to any debate, as you've got the intelligence of a garden shed.
     
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  15. Amin Arrears

    Amin Arrears Well-Known Member

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    And you have the mental agility of a rabbit dropping.

    I don't see why we tolerate you on here, you come on all full of bluster, go off on little tirades about things you clearly have **** all knowledge about, argue your wrong and uninformed points til you're blue in the face and just act a twat in general, derailing threads with your idiotic bullshit.

    You're not even a proper football fan ffs.
     
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    i thought the legal challenge rule was only for such brought against the ruling football association.

    if a loss in the p.l. means a fine in the f.l. then the rule is clearly wrong. the loss wasn't due to trying to gain undue advantage in the football league.
     
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  17. Obadiah

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    As far as I know the fine is for the losses incurred in getting into the Premier League.

    If the ffp rules are deemed illegal then no football league club is bound by them and the Football League cannot impose the fine on QPR. The legal action may save QPR just short of £60 million so may be worth the risk. If QPR lose then they will have had all that additional time to find the money and restructure their club.
     
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    Amin Arrears Well-Known Member

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    It's amazing how these things are open to speculation. You'd have thought the FA/PL/FL would have had the legality of any rules they bring in checked over and double checked before bringing them in so that those in breach don't have a bone to fight over. It'd be utter madness to just come up with an idea and try to implement it without running a fine comb through every detail first, but we all know how useless the football authorities in this country are. Just look at the ASI shambles for evidence.
     
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  19. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

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    The Football League is run by the FA, so an action against the league is an action against the FA.

    As Obi has said, it's for the losses they incurred in the Championship, not the Premier League.
     
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  20. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

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    I travel over 6,000 miles a year following my side and I've got a brace of season tickets. I'd wager I've been to more games in my lifetime than you've illegally streamed.

    I'd have another read of this thread btw, given that you're the only one who's disagreed with me, I'd suggest that it's you that's both ill informed and argumentative here old chap, as you didn't even offer a reasoned challenge to what I posted, merely launching into your usually tirade of abuse.

    I'd also wager you're a tiny, ugly little fella, with a cock like a button mushroom <ok>
     
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