Off Topic Great Britain General Election May 7th 2015.

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Such bitter irony there........

 

By that reckoning, if it was all about a CV then in politics the present incumbent would never lose his seat as they would always have the experience. Obviously having the skills necessary to do the job is important but it's difficult for an electorate to know whether someone can do the job by a list of qualifications and stated experience, especially when most politicians have no real world experience.

I don't like how our politics have become a popularity contest either which is why I don't like these TV debates as all you get is superficial nonsense. Ideally people would make a decision based on a parties manifesto, but then when these pledges are not followed through its difficult to trust what is written.

 

So true saint.

 

That is incorrect lad, whether someone keeps their job should be based on their performance in the job, CV is only related to having the knowledge and experience to get hired.
Then you need an alteration to law allowing for the sacking of an "administrator" not "politician" if he\she fails in their task. Direct democracy is one such system whereby you don't get 4 years of impunity and unaccountability.

For me a better system though still utterly corruptable but at least it shows someone accountable for every action is, parties are there to represent people and come up with policies but ultimately the people who hold positions should not be politicians but rather experts in their fields. They choose the best policies out of all party manifestos which then get ratified by a referendum to accept it, maybe requiring over 80% support for it to be accepted. It might seem cumbersome but.. bad government is costing you far more than this process would every 4 years. It also takes the money out of the equation because hired experts do not run political campaigns. The only extra thing you need is a recruiting process.

So if the minister of finance ****s up, he's a hired employee of the taxpayer, unlike "politicians", so he can be sacked.

All of this means people actually taking an active part as such a system requires lots of voting, not just four years, but isn't that why it's all gone to ****, cos we just care every 4 years for a few weeks and then it's as you were.

Granted I am just rambling about another format of running a country, just thinking out loud.

People are just voting for charm and being told what they want to hear and being told the other guys are bad for them

If you want politics to work you need to take part. You also need to avoid the partisan ****e and really, all parties should be alligning on commonly shared demands of Britons instead of the bile being flung around come election time. The whole "i ****ing hate that party" kinda stuff. Most parties have some good policies, surely the best plan would be the best selected out of the whole lot. Instead you got one party dominating, one ideology and one plan, with only having earned 30% of votes.

That is why the media is important to them, divide and conquer is why Tory can run the country with only 30% of the vote, or labour, or you end up with a sham like Tory Lib Dem last time, a fiction no one voted for.

 

Just seen a post on Facebook were someone was longing for the old days in Liverpool when Derek Hatton was in power and fought the Tories. I lived in Liverpool through that period and it was a period of chaotic mismanagement at council level with jobs for the boys no matter how unqualified they were for the position they were given. Of course when it all went pear shaped the poster says that was due to the Thatcher government.

Couldn't possibly due to good old mismanagement and corruption!

 

Nepotism is part of the human condition. It's probably coded into our DNA
The rot is not only in governments, almost everywhere I worked it is the same cack, yes man for the job (or friend relative or someone related to a business interest, see Osborne - Rothschild) corporate culture is so like political PC it's scary. It's the wierd human perception of hierarchy. It's just like animals, establish pecking order and follow PC. PC always seems to suit people better the higher up the hierarchy you go.

I think it's funny how an average person will turn into blushing smiling jelly when they stand near a Cameron or an Obama. Get a hold of yourselves like

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cyril-smith-was-*****phile-police-admit-1459987

#labourpaedocoverup

Its easy to play silly games with information,

 

I agree. I don't think **** behaviour, or corruption/abuse, is specific to any political party or class. It is purely an abuse of position and power by the individual concerned over others. These individuals have it in their DNA to manipulate themselves into positions were they can then abuse people/systems to their own ends.

 

Was only young but seemed like it was a mental time, remember the redundancy letters delivered by taxis?

PS it seems like SNP will play along similar lines in Scotland.

 

I went for an interview before, two of the panels were known to me via social connections, (was not even aware
that they work there) and they made it known to other members before the interview that I was known to them. When it came to me, they were relieved of their positions and two independent people were invited.
The first question the panel asked me was "if I knew any one working for them": I was too scared but I answered
"yes", the interview continued. I got the job, and it was after I got the job that the two people I knew told why I got
the job. They said if I had answered "no" I was not going to be employed.
#Note: I only met the people I knew when I got to their Office.

 

So are you absolving the Thatcher government of any wrongdoing towards Liverpool back then?

You are correct that nepotism/jobs for the boys was part of the Militant philosophy in the city at the time but Thatcher was "at war" with British socialism in general and Liverpool City Council along with the miners and dockers was a battlefield front line for Toryism.

Btw Militant are responsible for the new homes built in the Bullring, Little Italy, Holy Cross and Vauxhall and the demolition of dilapidated inner city streets, the tennants of the new properties have nothing but praise for Militant for rescuing them from life in run down tenement blocks with ancient amenities.

Just saying like.

 

In politics there's far more variables at work than simply saying its a judgement of the performance of the incumbent job holder. Other factors include local and policy issues and whether the other leaders are viewed to be able to do a better job. In my experience a CV will get you an interview, not a job.

As for your second paragraph, that would be a disaster. Firstly who selects the experts in their field and then secondly having to go to the electorate on various policies would lead to even more voter apathy than we have now.

With regards the legitimacy to govern, obviously having so many different parties is always going to mean that the vote is shared a great deal more than a two party system. 30% (I think it was higher) is not great on reflection, but as our system is related to winning 650 constituencies it's not entirely right to question their legitimacy to govern.

 

Gap between Labour and Tories 90+ votes. How?
50 odd votes from Labour lost to SNP.
40 odd votes from Lib Dems lost to Tories.

That's it in a nutshell.
A double whammy. The perfect storm. Wont happen again in our lifetime.

 

Im a southerner, what did you expect

 

Do you really think all the lib dems went tory?

as for your lifetime point, I think labour will recover a bit in Scotland and lib dems will recover a bit in England but unless things change dramatically eg either economy goes badly wrong or labour have complete overhaul we could be stuck with tories for a while.

 

No. In politics opposites will always fight each other. The more extreme the opposites are,the less compromising there will be.

Militant were as left wing as you could possibly get and the Thatcher government were probably the most right wing government we have had in modern times.

Militant may well have knocked down the Bullring, etc, but who is to say any incoming middle of the road party would not have done, as the grants were there from central government. It was the general chaos and corruption that went on and the complete mismanagement of council funds which was the problem for anyone living in the city at the time. If I remember rightly they ran out of money due to mismanagement and sold a lot of council owned buildings off to a Japanese bank, the irony of being bailed out by a bank based in one of the most right wing countries appeared to be lost on them.

Was it not Heseltine who fought Thatcher to get funds to regenerate the Albert Dock area, the funds being sent direct from central government so Militant could not get their grubby paws on it.

If I remember correctly the city treasurer was removed from his position, after all he was only a qualified accountant, and a militant supporting ex monk with no financial qualifications was put in charge of council funds. The head of the council's parks & security force resigned. The job was advertised and despite applications from recently retired senior police officers and senior members of private security companies the job was given to a mate of Derek Hatton's whose only qualification was the fact he used to be a bouncer with Derek on a local club door. Suddenly he was in charge of several hundred people and a budget running to several million.

It was a joke and doomed to fail whether Thatcher was there or not. Ignoring the politics of the people involved they were way out of their depth

 

The grants weren't there.

Militant used money owed to the government to pay for the inner city work and faced severe sanctions, they did a lot of good for the city as well as facing a Tory backlash.

 

Swap with Gerrez.

 

Such a loose word

Clearly not 'everyone' is against him since he just gained a majority vote

 

Labour in these parts, as been the same MP for over twenty years; Alan Meale. And yes, he got caught up in the expenses scandal too