Not sure I understand Miggins. If you read back through this thread you will see that I don't believe that at all. Personally I always vote for one of the parties that will tax me more with the most sensible plan of how to spend that tax in order to educate the populace and create an environment that promotes more opportunities for those who work hard. Personally I have never received any form of benefits but am glad to help people who need (with the emphasis on "need") help. Personally, I know myself and my family have benefited from living in a stable country with functioning services and I put enormous value on the Education system and the NHS in particular....I don't mind paying for this, I don't mind paying at all. Some people are not as fortunate as I and rely on benefits, for many reasons. The Conservative government elected yesterday have promised big cuts in the welfare budget...the Lib Dems were for much smaller cuts in this area. I am merely pointing out the irony of those who bleated on here about the coalition's cuts on the poor cheerleading the demise of the party who had tempered the scale and the speed of these cuts.....it strikes me that many of these type of voters who previously voted Lib Dem (and those Labour voters who have relentlessly spread their lies about the Lib Dems) have just shot themselves in the foot.
If that isn't a case for PR I don't know what is. I have seen on some other sites this morning people complaining about this state of affairs. When it is pointed out to them (by others) that they were given a chance (by the Lib Dems people forget to mention!) to begin changing this system....the same people who were complaining come back with AV's not as good as PR though The future of politics in this country and the logical outcome of this election is; a) more devolution and b) electoral reform (PR asap please) Both are things supported by the Lib Dems for a long, long time now....the rest of the country is just catching up. This would result in more coalition government. The Lib Dems are paying the price for being trailblazers imo.
Agreed I think UKIP more than anything epitomises our ridiculous first past the post voting system. The SNP get 5% of the vote and get 56 seats. UKIP get 12.6% of the vote and get 1 seat. Nobody could describe our system as democratic. Agreed also we, as an electorate, were given the chance to change the system in 2011 and change was rejected by the majority. In that people exercised their right to choose (in some cases choosing not to vote) it was, by definition, a democratic decision. Personally I was disappointed with the outcome. Although the choice we were given was not true proportional representation, more some sort of Australian mish mash. Maybe if we had been given a choice of a European type system the result may have been different, I don't know. Had the electorate gone for it, though,it would have been likely to result in future coalitions of more equal partners. There would, then, have been the chance for it to be followed up by a future referendum on true PR. What I do know is our system is undemocratic and I am sure that nobody could argue otherwise. On a very simple PR model and with the known results, this is what the PR results could look like, CON 237 LAB 197 UKIP 82 LD 50 SNP 31 GRN 3 Others 24 Interesting possibilities?
Quite a few gone now , lost seats, resigned booted out its like the night of the long knives hahaha but what will replace them may be scarey too ?
It was always going to be a possibility that the British sheep would buy hook line and sinker the Tory lies and scare mongering, big shame and another five years of the Damned ahead? It will be interesting to see the SNP power block in operation, Cameron has a slim majority, and he's in for a very rough ride, anyone seen the Liberal Democrats?....................... Sorry Terror just a little light humour, your last few posts have been very pragmatic and candid, maybe there is hope for you yet...............
I'm labour voter for tactic reasons, that didn't work as we have a Tory government without the whores. You are just a liberal voter
Tell me why you think if someone votes labour they are sheep? People are quite capable of making decisions for themselves, if they vote labour it's because they feel that is their best option, the same for the other parties!
You have to give the Tories credit for masterminding a brilliant campaign that even Cameron has been taken aback by a small but significant majority that they can now go it alone. They may have used the scare monger and personal attacks on milliband but it has worked so i applaud them for that.....Labours problem was not because of the SNP or UKIP but their own poor campaign across England that was just not good enough plus the Tories attack on milliband as being in the pockets of the Scottish if labour win ......Wales and Scotland who did not vote tory will now be ruled by a party the two countries don't want......The only good thing is that the majority is very small and that gives the opposition a chance of not letting the Tories have everything their own way....
Yvette Cooper to become leader? I like her a lot as she's a very strong person and doesn't backdown from the Tories.
So there we have it. The Lib Dems decapitated after probably the most disgraceful 5 years in their history. The astute could see it coming while those beating the party drum refused to accept it. But it's happened. You can have as many policies as you like, but if you breach the trust of your own supporters you're on a road to nowhere. The next five years will see Clegg sitting in the backbenches amongst the Scottish Nationalists while the 1922 Committee will be sipping their port, taking the piss out of him. The only honourable thing he has done in the last 5 years is to resign, but it's too late and his drive for personal power has left his party in tatters. Enjoy 5 years next to the Scottish Nats Clegg - you deserve it for ****ting on your own supporters. There's always a career on Newzoids.................
Nick is a good politician who thought and still thinks he did the right thing. I admire the guy who will bounce back one day. Just because i did not agree with him propping up the Tories does not mean he is a poor leader because he believed it was the best thing for the country to be in the government to stop the Tories in things his party did not agree with and whatever we think he did that in some degree and forced the Tories to a level of compromise. I don't like kicking a man when he is down especially when he firmly believes he was doing the right thing.......He will be back as the uk cant afford to lose leaders of his caliber.....even if i don't agree with him....
You are not getting the point here!!!! He believed he was doing the right thing and he stuck by that.......Dont dismiss what he has done since he became leader just because he got it wrong this time.....Look at the poor result Plaid got........she really needs to resign as she was a poor leader.....
