Off Topic Great Britain General Election May 7th 2015.

We are also programmed to kill anything that thwarts our desires- but we've managed to put social constraints on that.
Accept something and it will never change. No matter how hard the task, we have to at least try.

 

Uir is a tory

He should be banned immediate before the finds out

You can reinvent a new profile as a labour supporting chelsea fan though. ... not all bad news

 

That suits UIR though, he's a high flying toilet cleaning executive.

 

Wow, never thought i'd ever agree with UIR but he is bang on the money here. Apart from "being the party of the people", where have their actions ever shown there were for the bottom line apart contracting half the public services out and splashing loads of money on vanity projects and quangos. All these initiatives that the Tories get blasted for - nationalisation of the NHS (PFI by labour?), zero contracts, not giving a living wage, lack of housing - all under labours watch when we were massively rich.

Tories aren't no saints themselves but Labour are far worse and this country would be like Greece before you know it. Pretending to be for the people when in reality they are just Tories dressed up.

If anyone was going to vote for anyone it should have been the Lib Dems.

 

See here's another tory Chelsea fan

Uir should really call himself Christian, move to Surrey and get a blue chelsea shirt

They are made for each other!

 

Oh dear Bobby, oh dear

 

The problem is fairness is all relative. It's fair, I believe, for some people to be more successful than others because they are
i) more hardworking
ii) more ambitious
iii) more intelligent

It's also fair for them to pay back to the society that allowed them to generate that success, so long as it's not punitive (imo 50% is just ludicrous, and BTW I'm not a top rate tax payer by any means).

It's not fair for people to be successful (rich) due to grossly unequal opportunities (upper classes passing down landed estates for centuries to their children, when the original land was stolen anyway). However, personally I believe that there is much more opportunity now for those born with nothing than there was going back in time.

 

I'm a bit baffled by the Scottish vote. Why vote to stay in the UK then vote for a party that has independence as the its raison d'etre?
Especially when that vote opens the door for a party which is historically anathema to the Scots.
Surely the Scottish electorate knew that a vote for the SNP was handing power in Parliament to the Tories?

 

I'd guess that its because there is a difference between going independent and just having a bigger say on how things progress. Every Scottish person will have a interest in their own country just as the SNP do but going independent would have seen sacrifices they don't necessarily want such as free prescriptions for example.

 

I agree with this. What needs to be cracked down on is the tax evasion. Just a note, someone on 150k will be paying more tax than someone who is earning 50k with the same tax rate. They are already paying more tax.

 

Easy, they are a bit like the tory government looking after themselves. Are they better having Labour/Tories look after them or the SNP whos aim is to further Scotland. By having the SNP they know that SNP will be looking out for their own interests

 

As I've said on here several times, true labour politics reflecting the characteristics you refer to died with John Smith.

 

I agree and relate to that but I'll add that people earning that sort of money can also afford creative accountants too

 

Actually, that is only if you run a business (i.e. you're a limited company or own a business or a corporation or large amounts of stocks). If you are working for a company you pay PAYE and you can't get away with paying tax

 

Well that would go against what I said as creative accountants find ways for people to avoid paying their fair share of tax, which isn't fair.

 

DP

 

I think anyone holing a job for last say oh what 7/8 years was not so affected by bad times.

Anyone who lost a job was very badly affected


Anyone who held a job prob didn't buy a new car for a while and prob cleared debts if they could and saved so of course by now they feel better.

Anyone who lost a job in the last 7 years would have found a very hard market indeed

Gerrez can probably predict what'll happen to charities in next 5 years now.

my view is the 5 years to come will either be a boom time or a period of ongoing instability. As long as nothing collapses and conditions improve via oh i duno the world resvolving isis with some tanks ffs.... well then we will see. Its easy govern when times improve

Oh and i've seen yes minister... I know who really rules so this labour bad tory good or vice versa guff is just deluded. the civil servants run the place and nothing changes much whether its red or blue.

 

Fair point. Bit silly to remain on the payroll when you have this option though.

 

Oops.
Don't know what happened the first time.

You make some good points- allow me to disagree with (some of) them.
Hardworking- I looked at this in an earlier post- how hard someone works has little if anything to do with the reward they get for that work.
Ambition. Hitler was ambitious. Sorry to be flippant, but ambition is not of itself a good trait. If you exploit or damage others to achieve your ambition then how can it be a good thing?
Intelligent. I think of myself as reasonably intelligent- I don't think that automatically makes me more worthy. Like ambition, it's down to how you use it.

Your last point: There is more opportunity for underprivileged people these days. Opportunity fought for by the labour movement of the early C20th- nothing to do with the crumbs thrown down by the upper echelons.

No matter how you measure it- the gap between the top and bottom of society continues to grow wider- surely that can't be right?