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  1. The Kish

    The Kish Well-Known Member

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    Bit misguided to call the media lefty given half of it is owned by Murdoch.

    I'm voting Labour simply as an anti-Tory vote. I'm a Socialist and I despise Labour since the removal of Clause IV and their Austerity lite manifesto is a betrayal of their core values. But it's still preferable to the Tories. This election proves we need a new voting system though; proportional representation. As an example the UKIPs and the Greens could win 10% of the popular vote each across the nation yet still only get maybe 2 seats a piece if they are lucky!

    I've seen odds of 20/1 for a formalised Tory/Labour coalition. Could actually see that as being a possibility.
     
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  2. ForestHillBilly

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    Nigel Farage is a fraud. Immigration will continue apace whoever gets in, there's nothing he can do about it. Cameron wanted to stop it and couldn't, no ifs no buts, as he himself said. What is happening in the Mediterranean now is just the beginning, and I genuinely hope that I'm wrong, just as I genuinely hope the scientists are all wrong about global warming.
     
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  3. Ponders Revisited

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    The BBC (and its house newspaper, the Guardian) wields huge power, both through its biased news coverage and its Left-leaning television making.

    As Michael Buerk wrote: “What the BBC regards as normal and abnormal, what is moderate or extreme, where the centre of gravity of an issue lies, are conditioned by the common set of assumptions held by the people who work for it.”

    Murdoch owns Left-leaning newspapers and has often supported Labour and its core values.

    The BBC constitutes a large swathe of this country's media.
     
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  4. ForestHillBilly

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    Shurely Shome mishtake? Murdoch recently ordered the Sun journalists to do more to make sure the Tories got back in. If you don't believe that look at the front page. Also the front page of the Times, not to mention the Daily Mail. Even the Independent has come down in favour of the Tories this time. It is true that Murdoch supported New Labour. That may have been partly due to Brown and Blair flying to Oz to grovel at his feet, but I think it's more due to the fact he knew they would win anyway, and he loves to back a winner. By the way have you noticed how the Sun in Scotland supports the SNP, while the English version is using them as a rod to beat Mr Milibean with? It'a a horrible election, more like a beauty contest.
     
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  5. Ponders Revisited

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    You've validated my point to an extent, FHB. Murdoch flits between parties to suit his own ends. The BBC makes no apologies for its rancid agenda.
     
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  6. ForestHillBilly

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    Personally I can't see any agenda at the BBC, they are governed by rules of impartiality, and I don't see any evidence that they break them. The leaders are all too young. No-one should be a party leader until their kids have grown up. Cameron and Miliband have both used their kids to score points, which is nauseating.
     
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  7. typical

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    I don't vote. I can't force myself to give power to a public school boy,or left wing refugee hugger. Voting is like giving away your liberty to a stranger.

    I have never voted. I don't think I ever will.

    Except of course for the valley party. And best tits in the office.
     
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  8. Scratchingvalleycat

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    my political views are my own. I support the Dick plumb view in that respect. They are deeply held having developed them over many years and do not stem from the biased reporting of the newspapers right or left nor form a one issue perspective (immigration). I try to take a Benthamite view on what I believe to be the greatest good for the greatest number not just my self. i will vote with my head not my heart.
     
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  9. Ponders Revisited

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    You jest, surely? The BBC is governed by its own agenda and must be curtailed.
     
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    A noble gesture but this kind of depresses me. As I have no idea what the common good is? And are sacrificing your vote to an idealistic but ultimately unworkable utopia. Every single party says they reprsent the common good of all. I then get confused between egalitarian and utilitarian philosophy and decide that you can all go fack yourselves and go to the pub.
     
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  11. Scratchingvalleycat

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    no partyhas the answer therefore you should vote not for the party but the candidate who closest mirrors your own views on a wide range of issues. You will still dsagree with some of what they prosletise but dont have to beat yourself up:so much.
     
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  12. typical

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    But a candidate must be in a party. It's like eating a pack of revels.you have to eat the crappy orange ones, the knock off minstrels and coffee ones and somewhere in the pack usually the smallest and lowest in number are the decent chocolate toffees. Revels are too smart to sell you the toffees individually because they must come in a package. This is the way I see politics, you can't get them individually.

    I also had this point about elephants and the need to shoot the bull to safeguard the herd but I forgot where I was going with that.
     
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  13. dick plumb

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    Daily Express- Tory, Daily Mail- Tory, The Times- Tory, The Independent- Tory,The Telegraph-Tory, The Sun- Tory,
    Daily Mirror- Labour. Guardian- Labour. The BBC has a few lefties but is nowhere near as biased as Ponders claims it to be. The Press in this Country are hugely biased in favour of the Tories, to suggest otherwise is not factually correct.
     
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  14. ForestHillBilly

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    What evidence do you see that I'm missing?
     
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  15. ForestHillBilly

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    My Dad used to say that people liked politicians who lied, that's why we keep electing them. So what's changed?
     
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  16. typical

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    I can't help but think a vote for labour is more likely to result in children getting abused.

    See Rotherham County Council.
     
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  17. ForestHillBilly

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    Dangerous territory here, Typical.
     
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    Two big differences between the BBC and the Conservative supporting Press, Dick

    The BBC reaches into every home in the country.

    The BBC is funded by a compulsory public levy.
     
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    Nigel Farage. Cometh the hour, cometh the man.
     
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  20. typical

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    I disagree when political correctness comes before children's safety then I will vote for child safety every time.
     
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