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Discussion in 'Swansea City' started by Terror ball, Apr 22, 2015.

  1. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    I agree but it is obvious that the majority of welsh people see labour as the best there is....I would like to see just one party with the best candidates taken out of every other party and come together and form a Welsh party who will debate issues to do with wales and make decisions that are the best for wales. All parties have similar views in most part anyway.....Scrap all parties and come together as one party i say....
     
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  2. Terror ball

    Terror ball Well-Known Member

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    I put it to you that Wales has voted Labour because, for a long time, the only alternative was the Conservative party...with the history involved and the social background of those at the top of the Tory party this was no choice whatsoever.

    The Labour party's time is up however...(as is the Conservatives', their brand is poison for approx. 60% of the UK)
    They are being kicked out of Scotland, Plaid could well be on the rise and the Lib Dems have shown them up for the frauds they are.

    The Lib Dems have tried to reform the voting system, reform the House of Lords, tax wealth that can't be hidden by financial wizards (the Mansion Tax is a Lib Dem policy stolen by the Labour party), reduce taxes for the poor, encourage the "working man" back to work, have prioritised our children's education, are responsible for record numbers of apprenticeships (surely that is the kind of policy that Labour should have been running with instead of courting all those bankers), are the only major party to stand up for immigrants and most crucially prioritised us the people over their own interest when they stepped up to the plate and formed the last government....thoroughly mature response, rare in politics.


    The future is Proportional Representation.
    The future is coalition government.
    The future is Labour and Conservatives having to compromise and actually listen to the electorate.
     
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  3. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    I cant buy that when the libdem's vote have fallen to a level that don't reach double figures anymore even after clegg has been deputy prime minister for the past 5 years. libdem voters are leaving in droves and even cleggs own seat is not assured....I personalty like nick and some of his policies but his party is in for a torrid time tomorrow and wont even finish 4th and quite a few are predicted to lose their deposit.....He keeps banging on about how he has made things better so why are his own voters deserting him ? you would think if they agreed with him they would back him to the hilt.....
     
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  4. Jager

    Jager Well-Known Member

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    The lib dems will be nothing tomorrow, they will lose a lot of their seats, and nobody will take them seriously. They have sold out to the Tories, and they will sell out to anyone to keep them in power.
     
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  5. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    Pity it was not the Tories who would lose their seats in droves.....
     
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  6. ValleyGraduate12

    ValleyGraduate12 Aberdude's Puppet
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    They are voting for the same party as their families. Hence Labour can take Wales for granted as the majority will just vote for them.
    Is that why the agreed to allow 17,000 unqualified teacher s teach children in English schools (granted a policy started under Labour)?
     
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  7. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    valley that is just a cleshey that is not true. people have brains and vote for who think will best serve wales and nothing to do with past generations and the way they voted.....
     
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  8. ValleyGraduate12

    ValleyGraduate12 Aberdude's Puppet
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    Tell me then Dai, what have Labour done for the communities butchered by Thatcher and her cronies? Where was the capital investment in new jobs and opportunities for our communities?
    Why did the rich get richer and the poorer get worse under New Labour? Other than Cardiff has Wales seen any beneficial investment? Why are jobs in the old industrial communities of low skill and low paid?
     
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  9. Terror ball

    Terror ball Well-Known Member

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    Clegg accuses Tories over education
    Nick Clegg has accused the Tories of failing to enforce "basic standards" in schools as he dramatically disowned key planks of the coalition's education policy.
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    Nick Clegg will insist the national curriculum should be taught in every school [PA]
    The Deputy Prime Minister opened coalition dividing lines by insisting all teachers should be qualified, and the national curriculum should be taught in every school.
    Speaking on Sky News' Murnaghan programme, Mr Clegg insisted his criticism of "ideological" measures championed by Conservative Education Secretary Michael Gove was not a government "crisis" or political positioning, but a "perfectly sincere difference of opinion".
    "This is something I have made clear publicly and privately in government for a long time," the Liberal Democrat leader said.
    "Coalition works that we agree on a lot on education... but of course there are tensions and pinch points. We are not identical parties."
    Mr Clegg said: "The Conservatives really don't want any minimum amount of basic standards to apply to
    schools who have these new freedoms. And I think what we need to do is a sensible balance."
    He insisted it was "complete and utter nonsense" to suggest the Lib Dems were adjusting their policy to appeal to Labour in the case of another hung parliament in 2015. The Opposition wanted to "strangle" school freedoms, he said.
    Mr Clegg also played down suggestions of a rift with fellow Lib Dem and schools minister David Laws, who last week defended the performance of unqualified teachers.
    "David Laws is right that that is the policy of the Department for Education. He is quite right in stating that is the present approach," he added.
    Mr Clegg will detail his party's approach in a speech at a London school on Thursday.
    "I'm proud of our work over the last three years to increase school autonomy, which, in Government with the Conservatives, has been through the academies programme," he is expected to say.
    "And it is Lib Dem policy to give all schools, whether they are academies or not, those same freedoms to attract and reward excellent teaching, set their own term dates and vary their school day.
    "We believe greater autonomy enables school leaders to take responsibility in those areas where they know what's best for their pupils, whilst also giving them the freedom to innovate.
    "But it shouldn't surprise you if I say that, although we work well with the Conservatives, our two parties still have differences of opinion, some strongly held.
    "Looking to the future, there are aspects of schools policy currently affected by the priorities of the Conservative Party which I would not want to see continue.
    "For example, whilst I want to give schools the space to innovate, I also believe every
    parent needs reassurance that the school their child attends, whatever its title or structure, meets certain core standards of teaching and care. A parental guarantee, if you like.
    "Parents don't want ideology to get in the way of their children's education.
    "They don't care about the latest political label attached to their child's school. What they want, and expect, is that their children are taught by good teachers, get taught a core body of knowledge, and get a healthy meal every day."
    Mr Clegg will ask: "What's the point of having a national curriculum if only a few schools have to teach it? Let's teach it in all our schools.
    "And what's the point of having brilliant new food standards if only a few schools have to stick to the rules? Let's have quality food in all our schools.
    "That's my philosophy. Diversity amongst schools, yes. But good universal standards all parents can rely on too.
    "And, frankly, it makes no sense to me to have qualified teacher status if only a few schools have to employ qualified teachers."
    Mr Clegg will say that over the last decade there has been a "revolution in the way in which we've recruited and trained our teachers", including schemes such as Teach First and Schools Direct.
    "What all of these routes have in common is that at the end of them you're recognised as a qualified teacher," he will add.
    "And I want every parent to know that their child will benefit from this kind of high quality teaching.
    "That's why I believe we should have qualified teachers in all our schools."

    A DfE spokesman said: " Free schools are raising standards and giving parents more choice.
    "They are run by teachers - not local bureaucrats or Westminster politicians - and are free to set their own curriculum, decide how they spend their money and employ who they think are the best people for the job. This Government is not going to take these freedoms away.
    "Independent schools have always been able to hire brilliant people who have not got qualified teacher status (QTS).
    "Free schools and academies now have the same freedoms as independent schools to hire great linguists, computer scientists, engineers and other specialists so they can inspire their pupils."
    Tory education minister Liz Truss told ITV News she remained fully behind free schools.
    "I think it is important that they have freedom over teaching and over the curriculum. I think that is what is making them successful," she said.
    "I am slightly surprised to hear what Nick Clegg has to say. Because on Thursday David Laws made an impassioned speech in favour of free schools having these freedoms.
    "So there seems to be a bit of confusions about their policy but we are very clear that the government policy is that free schools should have that freedom.
    "The proposals went through on free schools with Liberal Democrat support. This is a new thing that we have heard and I think it is partly to placate parts of the Lib Dem party who may not be happy with the policy."
     
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  10. ValleyGraduate12

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    So, if all teachers should be qualified, why didn't he block the legislation that allowed unqualified teachers teach. Here he goes again in saying one thing and doing the exact opposite. That is why I cannot take the man seriously.
     
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  11. Terror ball

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    We're back to the nature of coalition government again.
    If Plaid and SNP come to an agreement with Labour next week they will occasionally be voting through policy/acts that they don't agree with.
    That's what is necessary to get their own things done.
    The Conservatives for example have voted through things they didn't agree with and amended their own policy in a manner that must have been disappointing to them (the Lib Dems actually secured some amendments to Michael Gove's free schools project).

    If one or other of the 2 parties take their ball home the country is plunged into chaos.

    Does anyone actually believe that Ed Milliband is being sincere when he says there will be "no deals with the nationalists" after this election?
    There would be no government (according to the polls) if he stuck to that line.
    He will do a deal, it will just be unofficial...in secret....not a coalition maybe but SNP and Plaid will get something.

    The really dangerous thing will be that the nationalist parties involved would be more likely to take their ball home in the right circumstances because chaos and the UK becoming ungovernable actually suits the SNP and Plaid's longer term goal of convincing their electorate of the necessity of independence.
     
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  12. ProjectVRD

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    Never tell the people what you intend to dismantle
     
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    Especially since the Tories were the controlling force in the coalition. The Lib Dems suffered badly because the of Tory spin doctors selling their lies to the Tory controlled papers, which in turn was easily believed by the Tory supporters and those disillusioned by Labour.
     
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    Yep - and that's called Democracy. If there was any party worth it's salt then the electorate would vote for it. The fact that we are faced with the possibility of another coalition is due to the fact that only dross is on offer.
     
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    The only nasty irresponsible small minded fools are people like you who try and defend the bed room tax, a position that demonstrates the hatred the Tory & LibDem's have for the poor and working people of this country, and if the British people have any sense they'll relegate the likes of you to the dustbin of history, such a despicable coalition, such a cowardly bunch of scum, good riddence......................<ok>
     
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    IS IT PICK A MUPPET DAY ALREADY..........

    enjoy pick a muppet day dumb fks, cant wait 2see what great choices you've picked again>>>>>will it be draconian or draconian this time I wonder <ok>
     
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  17. Terror ball

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    Labour went into the last election supporting cuts - they've never told us what they would cut and have opposed every one of the coalitions
    Labour go into this election supporting cuts - they still won't tell us what cuts they would make

    As I originally stated, the bedroom tax was an ill thought out badly executed cut....but the cuts had to come from somewhere and there are plenty of examples of people who paid the bedroom tax rather than move to a smaller place and didn't starve.

    Here's the thing. When the government pays your rent out of our taxes it is never your home.
    When they have other people in need of a house with X amount of bedrooms and you have been housed in a place with more bedrooms than you need there is nothing morally wrong with asking you to move.
    Nothing morally wrong whatsoever.

    It was badly executed as evidently there is a problem with finding enough smaller places (the Lib Dems pointed this out at the time) in certain areas.

    Another problem is without some pressure most people would never think to themselves "hmmm, the state is paying my rent and I now have too many rooms....best try and find somewhere smaller".
    That's not how people work.

    The Tories were trying to find solutions to the problem and trying to house people in more need....this was always going to cause a lot more resentment than the government would gain (either in terms of solving housing issues, bringing in taxes, or winning them votes), it was bad policy but it certainly doesn't make them "scum".



    Do you know what does make a person "scum" though?
    Using the word "coon".
    Do you know what makes a person "ignorant"?
    Spouting a load of old bollocks on the internet concerning politics when you don't even know the name of your local MP and wasn't even aware that you live in a safe Labour seat.
    Do you know who's irresponsible?
    The Labour Party
    Do you know what's ****ing cowardly?
    Standing on an austerity ticket and then opposing every single cut made to get this country's deficit down. Lying to your voters that you won't do any deals with the SNP. Claiming other parties are privatising the NHS when in fact your own party was "privatising" the NHS for years, being pro-EU but too afraid to state that and defend the idea for years, being pro-immigration but too afraid to argue the case for it.....and I could go on and on.
     
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  18. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    Dragon i think you and me are very close to the same opinion but what you said to terror is wrong mate..........I believe that everyone is entitled to vote for whoever they like as they are entitled to their views and choices. I may not agree with them and will put my views why i dont agree with them but i have too respect their views as they are entitled just as you or i to make choices and that is what democracy is all about....
     
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    Bedroom tax is a good thing. Only thing wrong with it is how the coalition has implemented it (i.e. still taxing when no available downsize is available).
     
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    I strongly disagree with the bedroom tax. Its like the old window tax years ago where people were bricking up rooms depriving them from natural light. these taxes are always aimed at one type of people who least can afford to pay....
     
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