Off Topic Dark Matter and other Astronomy information.

Couldn't read anything else of the rant after read this as was too busy laughing.
The hypocrisy is amazing.

 

I will also add that scientists STILL cannot accurately predict the weather (Nor climate either) but weather with any great accuracy because they still do not understand even 80% of how our climate and weather systems work, modelling still cannot produce tornado rotation speeds. There is a pretty significant list of things meteorology cannot explain.

Which takes me back to your contradiction you ignored Astro, that IPCC have gotten everything wrong, yet somehow you think we can geoengineer the climate, even though we obviously don't understand it, you ignored that when I asked you mate, why? Cos you logic is utter bollocks #fail

please log in to view this image

IPCC were only wrong on everything like but.. the crucial point and the whole bedrock of IPCC science is CO2 temperature correlation, it's broken beyond repair and that is enough to make the whole thing a #fraud.

You can't take your scientific argument's cornerstone and remove it from the science and still thnk you are on the right track, it's like trying to take out gravity of general relativity calculations

Ice increasing
Sea levels stable and within norms
Less hurricanes(IPCC predicted more)
Runaway warming has never happend
Supertornadoes and super hurricanes never materialised

Now the IPCC try tell you cold is hot, up is down and that the planet is still being warmed by CO2



It's like Higgs getting his Nobel if he'd found no particle with the LHC


As we see in the chart, IPCC keeps ramping down their predictions until they drop the so low that they will allign with reality (then they will claim they were right all along).

Man made global warming will be lost to history and people like this believer will only remember "Man Made Climate change" because the IPCC's founding science was utter garbage, all based on a single report provided by Thatcher from 1896 which was disproven many decades ago.
#science

 

So you know what you are missing Sis

The researchers "weighed" Antarctica's ice sheet using gravitational satellite data and found that from 2003 to 2014, the ice sheet lost 92 billion tons of ice per year - that's more than five times the height of the Empire State Building.

Most of that ice loss came from West Antarctica, which is the smaller of the continent's two main regions. Since 2008, ice loss from West Antarctica's unstable glaciers doubled from an average annual loss of 121 billion tons of ice to twice that by 2014, the researchers found. Meanwhile, the ice sheet on East Antarctica - the continent's much larger and overall more stable region - thickened during that same time.

I once read something in Nat Geo that said a Megasaurus weighed "as much as a herd of elephants", that had me laughing for days.

 

She's off again!

So will somebody please answer me simply,
Is the ice decreasing as these guys say or increasing as sisu claims above?

 

Sisu is BS. Look back at the discussion a few days ago. He came on screaming about an article in Nature saying the ice was thicker than previous estimates. I read the article and it was talking about a very specific case of ice near the coast being more accurately measured than previously before (because the new small robots could measure it whereas big ships previously didn't), and has nothing to do with the overall behaviour of massive ice decrease.

Of course he ignored all that and is still quoting it as an increase in ice.

 

Lol
Go to say I initially read that as five time the weight, have to assume its a misprint otherwise it makes no sense whatsoever but why do they put shyte like that in there? how on earth does that make it more relevant or meaningful, I cant conceptualize the weight of one ESB never mind five!

 

Well the Empire state building has 102 floors, so just imagine the weight of 1 of its floors then multiply by 500 to get the weight of the ice

 

So its a lot then, got it!

 

First of all as usual you begin by attacking me.

Secindly, I came on "screaming" More hyperbole from Astro.

Lastly, you left out the important bit about the article, the video from it where the guy who is part of the expedition to MEASURE the ice dept saying THEY the scientists cannot tell how thick the ice is, only the area it covered.

That is how you roll, you take an argument, twist it, try make the poster look bad and return a completely false argument in order to attack it because you've got nothing else to reture a scientist who says we don't know how much ice there is after all.


The last bit, I never said there was an increase in overall ice, another lie by you, as usual because you are a habitual liar. I said record ice gains since 2012, in the context of "IPCC disappearing ice due to global warming" I think that is relevant. That is, more ice forms during winter since 2012 than has in the 2 decades before it, meaning logically there is not a warming winter trend in the poles since 2012.

You distort and twist arguments in order to attack then, and come up with paraphrased nonsesne. Worst of all, you come to conclusions based on totally fabricated conssensus like the 97% which I noticed, you are now staying well away from that flawed argument

 

Whereas you take a scientist honestly admitting the limits of current knowledge and twist it to mean all scientists know exactly nothing about everything.

In your world models and measurements not being perfect doesn't mean they should be improved but that scientists are #frauds. Einstein should have been hung for getting the motion of Mercury wrong by 200%.

 

Defcon 2 reached

 

I see you have conveniently forgotten or are unaware than there has been active volcanoes discovered right under the Antarctic icesheet? I covered that, volcanoes that have been melting and breaking tht sheet for god knows how long, and the CO2 that comes with melted ice and the volcanoes themselves. Sorry mate, that just proves my point about opinions based on some information, a bit like IPCC modelling

Also, it's no secret, hardly, that the planet has been warming since the last ice age How much ice has been lost since the warming cycle started?
20,000 years ago North America was ice. Where did it go?

Also, sea level rises are within historical norms, meaning thre is no drastic increase in sea levels, which means the ice is melting like it always had been

But the Antarctic ice sheet was one major poster boy for the IPCC and as I said, there have recently in 2013 been discovered an active set of volcanoes under that very ice sheet, IPCC was extremely quiet on that which is proven by you being totally unaware of them.

Summer ice loss in the arctic is showing record losses(Records in our records) but the earth is now warmer than in any of our ice "amounts" records)

But all of that is laughable when you go back into history and see that there was 0 icecaps on earth at times and much higher sea levels, all before we came along.

So, when people start talking about disrupting global climate cycles that have been occurring for billions of years by adjusting a CO2 knob is


I love how the MMCC pro gang point to the ice loss, and totally ignore the ice gains.. I have addressed both, but you "deniers" will just not deal with record winter ice gains since 2012, including this winter.

All or nothing eh #debate #science

 

So, I'm living in the desert.
It's dead hot, but it's not my fault- it's all that sun and dry winds and stuff, nothing to do with me.
The temperature in my house is getting increasingly more uncomfortable for me and my family and I'm beginning to worry a little, but of course it's not my fault so I don't do anything about it.
Somebody advises me that there are a number of steps I can take to reduce the heat in my house- a really important tip being that I should consider turning off the heating or at the very least reduce the running time of all the appliances in my house that contribute to the heat - but I ignore this because I've plenty of evidence that most of the heat is coming from factors beyond my control, and I do love my gadgets.
Time wears on, the temperature gets higher generally, though there are fluctuations, and ultimately we're all starting to suffer from hyperthermia, but we can still watch X Factor on the telly, and the fridge is still pumping away giving us cold drinks - for as long as the fuel for the generator lasts.
It's all getting increasingly alarming but I don't do anything about it- I'm satisfied because it's not my fault. Those people telling me I could be taking some preventative measures to alleviate the situation are just self-serving doom merchants trying to make me feel responsible, damn them.
Bloody sun, bloody nature- it's their fault.
It's always someone else's fault.

 

[QUOTE="astroturfnaut, post: 7892022, member: 1016719"]Whereas you take a scientist honestly admitting the limits of current knowledge and twist it to mean all scientists know exactly nothing about everything.

In your world models and measurements not being perfect doesn't mean they should be improved but that scientists are #frauds. Einstein should have been hung for getting the motion of Mercury wrong by 200%.[/QUOTE]

Again me me me, it's all you have done, talk about me. You nicely try explain being wrong completely, and failing in every prediction as "Admitting limits of current knowledge" when the IPCC has not admitted ****, they even denied the pause in warming for 12 years then admitted it and now have gone back to denying it


"Einstein should have been hung for getting the motion of Mercury wrong by 200%"
Another flawed analogy, you see, if Einstein did that, if Relativity was showing to be 400% wrong in some areas and also totally incorrect in say, helping us design GPS,, Einstein would have said he was on the wrong track.

The IPCC never admit they didn't fukcing know what they are talking about at any point. They intentionally blew up the numbers to scare people and told out and out lies

Some here including Saint think it is OK to lie to people to scare them into being good, such warped logic

 

Your analogy is flawed to the exreme. Your analogy actually explains the reverse argument. Because we are focusing on CO2, we are ignoring the real problems, toxins, chemicals, organics, poisons and nuclear pollution. All results of consumeriam and economics which are designed to grow and grow for ever, on a finite planet (But only for the profit of the very few). You cannot have infinitely growing economics and the consumerism that drives it and have a healthy biosphere, it's impossible as things stand

To further make my point, what use is low levels of CO2 when you can't grow anything on toxic land, can't catch fish in poisoned seas and water, and can't breathe polluted air.

Lastly there is the sheer arrogance to think we can keep the climate as we think it should be.

Any designs on controlling nature, (nature we still for th emost part barely understand) that has evolved over billions of years, is destined to end in disaster. We've nearly wiped out the bees with pesticides, and that's just one thing, and that was without even trying to control nature, that was just profit driven meddling

 

So funny.

Pro IPCC Person : Ice gains in winter do not prove the planet is not heating up
Pro IPCC Person : Ice loss in summer proves the planet is warming up.

Contradiction that leads to cognitive dissonance. Plenty of that around these parts

 

Also to this Diego, it is a fact that we do not know who deep ice is because of technical limitations, which las led to them now beginning, only beginning, to use mini sub robots to look at ice depth as ice grows beneat the waterline. This has shown the sceintists that the ice is thicker than they thought, a lot thicker

So, if Ice melts above water and ice increases beneath water, how can you calculate how much ice is lost by measuring suface area above water? That's doing sums with incorrect numbers right from the beginning. That's not to say Ice hasn't decreased, it is merely pointing out that they cannot actually claim how much ice is lost cos they do not know how much ice there was when they began counting and when they finished counting in their comparisons to assess loss, all they can really claim with accuracy is that the surface area of ice is less

I am merely pinting out the flaw in the claims, because they are used as "facts".

 

The ice is all choosing to spontaneously hide in very very thin but very very deep cylinders

 

What does that even mean? They are only now starting, literally, to assess ice depth to any real accuracy. That comes from the guys doing the work like, the #scientists

using sub robots, cos existing methods cannot do it with ANY accuracy.

So claims of ice loss gain, both pro MMCC and Con MMCC cannot be accurate, the result s no one knows at all how much ice has been lost and how much is gained in winter and lost in summer respectively.

That's what I am pointing out, and mainly because the ice issue was a poster boy for the IPCC.

Sea levels, which obviously you'll ignore, are an indicator, and they haven't drastically increased in line with the doom and gloom of of the IPCC forecasts, so the ice is what? melting into space?

We don't even know what is under these ice sheets, there would be hot springs ect, cos we missed ****ing massive volcanoes under Antarctica for decades Just pointing out that there is far too much unknown for the modelling going on

But really, your single line attacks on me and paraphrasing something that is not what I said is par for the course with you, now if you had all this in the Sisu folder you could actually respond to the arguments I make
#itsnotagame
#youthinkitis

 

Yes and clearly the massive decreases in ice area should be of no concern whatsoever because until we know EXACTLY how much the ice is decreasing then it all might just be a miscalculation and the ice is just hiding somewhere

No one knows EXACTLY how many people died in the second world war so it probably didn't even happen