Off Topic Great Britain General Election May 7th 2015.

I'm not sure it would work over here as there is a distinct difference to the approach being taken on quite a few topics. Also the SNP would be playing the stitch up card and so it could raise even more nationalism north of the border. I think they would rather go back to the polls myself.

Despite what Milliband is saying, I think Labour would agree to a loose agreement with the SNP, which seems to be what other party members are saying apart from him. The SNP will probably want another referendum down the line which is a price Labour must pay for opening the genie that is devolution, sooner or later the Scottish will achieve independence anyway.

I believe the SNP really want the Tories back in as it suits their agenda to blame a party largely only supported in England for all of their woes.

 

What's this **** got to do with the UK election?

Come to think of it why is this bloke even posting about it given he's an Irishman living in Finland?

Someone point him in the direction of a threat suitable for his latest hobby horse, as he's spamming this thread

 

Tories power in England is practically the only reason for the existence of the SNP as a realistic party. If the tories remain in power it also gives the SNP a get out of jail free for almost everything that goes wrong up there.

So yes SNP would love a conservative majority.

 

Labour and Conservative coalition is a lesser evil of Labour and SNP coalition neither is sweet.

 

Election 2015: Lib Dems will insist on public sector pay rise

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Mr Clegg told the BBC his party would not enter coalition with a party that would not back public sector pay rises
Nick Clegg has said his priorities - including raising public sector pay - would come ahead of the question of an EU referendum in any coalition talks.
The Lib Dem leader was pressed on whether he would refuse to deal with the Tories if they stuck to their pledge to hold an in/out referendum.
Mr Clegg told the BBC: "Before I address anybody else's red lines, I would address mine."
The parties are trying to rally support on the final weekend of campaigning.
David Cameron is urging voters to "stop and think" about the "historic choice" facing them on Thursday, while Labour are attempting to put pressure on the other parties over tuition fees.
In other election news on Sunday:

• UKIP Leader Nigel Farage warn that only UKIP can ensure there is a "fair and free" EU referendum and says pollsters and commentators are talking his party down
• David Cameron tells BBC political editor Nick Robinson that he will not bargain away an EU referendum in any post-election coalition talks
• Newcastle hopes to be hot on the heels of Sunderland in being among the first to declare its results on election night
• In Wales the Conservatives accuse Labour and Plaid Cymru of being involved in an "unedifying squabble" over who to support if there is a hung parliament
• Labour unveils an 8ft high stone with its manifesto pledges carved into it, which prompts social media fun, while a plaque has been unveiled to mark the spot of John Prescott's 2001 punch.
• Follow all the latest campaign developments with the BBC's Election Live

The two largest parties appear to be neck and neck according to most of the opinion polls carried out for the Sunday newspapers.
Shadow Home Secretary Yvette Cooper claimed, on The Andrew Marr Show the party was within "touching distance of a Labour government".
Asked if she could look the presenter in the eye and say she believed Labour would gain the 100 seats it needs, Ms Cooper said they were seeking every vote they could, adding: "The public will decide on Thursday."

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Analysis by David Cowling, Editor, BBC Political Research Unit
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We would not be in our present confusion about the outcome of the general election if the three main Westminster parties were popular. All our problems in trying to predict the outcome of 7 May stem from the fact that they are manifestly unpopular. This general election is the mother of all ugly baby contests between the Conservatives, Labour and the Lib Dems.
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The polls suggest a hung Parliament is likely, and the Lib Dems have been setting out their "red lines" - with public sector pay joining education spending, a £12,500 personal allowance, £8bn for the NHS and an emergency "stability budget".
But there has been speculation about whether Mr Clegg - who leads the most pro-European of the largest Westminster parties - would veto the Conservatives' plan for an in/out referendum on the UK's EU membership in any post-election coalition negotiations.
Mr Clegg has already said his opposition to an EU referendum - as proposed by the Conservatives and UKIP - would not be a red line.
He has also said he would talk to the largest party first if there was a hung Parliament, and that he would not join a government that relied on support from the SNP or UKIP.
His final policy demand involves public sector pay rising with inflation for two years from 2016, and then by more than inflation once the deficit has been dealt with.
He told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show the Conservatives "constantly flip and flop" on the question of an EU referendum and may yet "buckle again".
"I'm happy to insist on my red lines," he said - how compatible they were with other parties depended in part, on the mandate given to each party. He repeated his pledge that there was "no way the Liberal Democrats are going to enter into any deal, arrangement or pact with the SNP or UKIP".
Policy guide: Key priorities
What are the top issues for each political party at the 2015 general election?

 

Like him or lump him, Brand does call bullshit when it needs to be called.

 

The lib Dem sellout

How sad is it, these days when we want the reality of what politics are, we have to go to comedians like Brand and John Stewart cos , well ****ing BBC aren't gonna tell you.

 

1. 1. Brand is a complete gobshyte, he "debates" like a fourteen yr old who has had his first politics lesson and then spent the next week on the internet.

 

Agreed, he whines about everything but then doesn't want to be in a position to change anything as he doesn't want to be part of the establishment.

 

Political parties are the death of democracy.

When one party can openly campaign just as not being as bad as another party, and not feel ashamed, then you know they don't even give a **** about pretending to represent the actual people

It would be nice to get back to the original Athenian implementation of democracy. People chosen at random to serve the country out of a sense of duty with limitations on tenure. Not career politicians looking to get a great deal on taxpayer-funded property in London.

Imagine if politicians knew they would have to go back to living in the country they were shaping, as opposed to a lifetime protected in their bubble where they can vote on their own pay rises.

 

Tyipcal Tory style defelction. I only assume the other guy who I know doesn't like Brand is carrying out his Cameron-esque assessment of Brand personally.

Your comment is wrong and it's quite easy to point out why.
Firstly, you are just making pointless comments about Brand, not his message, I notice none of you even mention what he is talking about where he in those two videos used actual facts to compare political promises with reality, he proves it like, the lies you are being told by the people you are supposed to vite for.

I suspect nether you or the other guy watched eithe rof those videos which just typifies the average over opinionated types these days

Secondly
Fixing any problem requires that you honestly address the real causes, only then can you move forward with a solution, if people cannnot discuss what is really wrong then how can they fix it, by voting? Are you really that delusional. So, if the mainstream is not really dealing with the "causes" how can anyone "offer" a solution?

I'd not let either you or the other one manage a problem, you are obviously not capable, cos you can't understand the process of dealing with a problem of complexity

What makes me laugh is you and the Tobes(I assume he's carried on with his dislike of Brand and some after the fact logic as to why he's wrong) of this world who contribute nothing, slate Brand, who although not personally my cup of tea, has done infinitely more for his fellow man than either you and tobes so you both slating him is really funny. Sitting on your arsephones and in Tobes case constantly on hte internet while Brand has made somthing of himself, seen how rotten the system is, and speaks out about it and does something.

At every turn Brand says he does not have the answers and that they can only be come up with ONCE you address the causes of the problems, and so far, no politician has spoken about the real causes of the problems Britain has, and not only Britain. <

You idots want answers? It's like a doctor prescribing medicine before he's found out what illness you have.. you eejits

 

The greeks came up with some good ideas, and I mentioned that exact thing earlier in this thread, the Romans took the greek ideas and twised them info faction based games which are utterly disconnected from the voters. That's what we have today, although a greatly refined version and ht emedia are an important part, a bit like the readers in roman forums reading out the propaganda to the people.

The primary objective is split the public up into factions, and reading this thread you can see it has worked a treat, as it does in every other "democracy"

Imagine politicians had to lead armies like kings of old, where them and their kids were the first in line to go fight.. there would be 0 wars too

 

She's really one one today isn't she?

Can somebody explain to Sisu (claims to be ignoring me) that I actually watched the videos, I like to follow links etc esp if they are funny so could Sisu please provide a link to this from a couple of pages back as it sounds hilarious.

 

Brand talks about the obvious problem of circumvention of politics and economy for the gain of the 0.001% to 0.000000000000000001%
Some "people" talk about Brand but not the very real and relevant issues he is trying to being into the mainstream (cos y'know, talking about the real issues in order to create real answers is bad mmkay) so lets slate Brand, and believe in cameron and Miliband

Typical media driven brainwashed ****e. People who have no real clue about Brand or what he is talking about just ****e out of them about Brand, when Brand is not meant to be the subject.

I guess there is a world of Astros and Tobes out there, which is part of the reason why the world is so ****ed.

 

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You have a desperation to link anything you find with some sort of conspiracy which frankly is rather odd.

On the subject of Brand, I have listened to what he has got to say and I don't agree with it, if that makes me an idiot (or even an idot, whatever one of those is) then so be it. I don't need to have a meltdown every time my viewpoint is challenged though.

Out of interest how have you contributed to the world, I only ask as it seems so strange that you seem to know that I haven't.

 

Just calling it like I see it folks.

I just pity people who ignore the message and go at the messenger leaving the message totally lost on them.

Tut tut

 

Sturgeon questions legitimacy of UK government without Scottish MPs
My colleagues Severin Carrell and Libby Brooks have filed their report from the SNP rally in Dumfries. Here are some of the key points from their article:
Provoking a fresh confrontation with the Conservatives, she [Nicola Sturgeon] said: “Surely a test of legitimacy that should be applied to whatever Westminster government is formed after this election cannot simply be that it is the largest party in England.
“The test that must be applied is whether a government can build a majority and win support that reflects the whole of the UK. English MPs will always be the largest part of any Westminster majority, but to ignore Scottish voices would be wrong.”

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Nicola Sturgeon speaks at an SNP rally in Dumfries. Photograph: BBC